Earlier quoted context omitted.
Europe (41 countries) has instant SEPA.
SEPA is a banking infrastructure layer and it is not consumer focused. Also, only ~60% of European banks adopted it. While Pix was mandatory for all banks to adopt and 80% of Brazilian population already used it.
Visa and Mastercard: The global payment duopoly (2024)
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Re: Visa and Mastercard: The global payment duopoly (2024)
#212Despite all of the issues that are within the crypto world, I do think stablecoins are a fantastic use-case that most of us should be able to get behind to break this duopoly. With some oversight/proofs of solvency for the issuers, I hope they can become the dominant payment method. I can say from experience, the fact that I can easily pay friends and also receive yield on my holdings is such a nice experience, especially considering the inflationary environment we're in currently.
Re: Visa and Mastercard: The global payment duopoly (2024)
#213Brazil central bank introduced Pix a few years ago. It took over the country as the public basic infrastructure for money transfer. Totally free and instantaneous transactions between people and companies, available to all banks. Then, just last week, the US presidency launched an investigation considering Pix an unfair trade practice against the US. Actions like that may show the current direction of the US governme…
I got in this thread with the expectation of seeing a comment like yours, so thank you for that. I think what worries the U.S. more is the likelihood of Pix spreading around the world. It’s such a great public program that I believe many countries will eventually adopt it, or adopt some version of it. In fact, AFAIK some places already have it, like Thailand and Malaysia. Consumers like it because it is widely availa…
Re: Visa and Mastercard: The global payment duopoly (2024)
#214The article underplays the role stablecoins are going to play in the next 10 years. Compared to 6+ intermediaries in a standard SWIFT payment, a cross-border payment facilitated by USDC/USDT just needs 2 players - an on-ramp provider and an off-ramp provider. The result ⇒ insanely low costs, much lesser than 1-5% typically charged by a SWIFT payment. This network is sustainable and running on established blockchains…
> Compared to 6+ intermediaries in a standard SWIFT payment Huh? I think the message format in ISO20022 can only 3 intermediaries before having to resort to more complex mechanisms. Most SWIFT payments have 0 or 1 intermediaries.
I guess you could consider SWIFT to be an intermediary instead of a delivery mechanism? But even that doesn't add up to 6+.
Re: Visa and Mastercard: The global payment duopoly (2024)
#215Brazil central bank introduced Pix a few years ago. It took over the country as the public basic infrastructure for money transfer. Totally free and instantaneous transactions between people and companies, available to all banks. Then, just last week, the US presidency launched an investigation considering Pix an unfair trade practice against the US. Actions like that may show the current direction of the US governme…
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#216Earlier quoted context omitted.
They way it works I don't receive a charge like you do with visa, the merchant presents a code, you scan it when your bank app and then the bank app asks if you want to send # of money to [merchant name], if you don't want to pay it then you don't approve the transfer in your app on your phone. However after the fact there's less options, I've never gone through
Bundling consumer protection with the payment system was always a bad idea. Payments need to be instantaneous and free. The returns/refunds can be handled offline by a mutually agreed facilitator that does not have a monopoly on the payment system. You can also have a legal mandate that all internet purchase, for example, should employ such a service, that charges a market fee and is then liable for making fair decis…
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#217Earlier quoted context omitted.
There are several ways to reduce costs underlying payments. One is better IT. Notice that IT infrastructure has improved and dropped in cost by immeasurable amounts since those 3% fees were first instituted. Another way is to reduce card fraud. Notice that we’ve had excellent solutions to many types of fraud for decades now, but online shopping still requires us to enter 16-digit easily-stolen numbers into websites,…
> online shopping still requires us to enter 16-digit easily-stolen numbers into websites, and so fraud is enormously higher than it needs to be EU partially solved this with PSD2 enforcing two factor authentication for online card purchases. https://finance.ec.europa.eu/publications/strong-customer-au...
Re: Visa and Mastercard: The global payment duopoly (2024)
#218India has had UPI since 2016 now and recently overtook Visa and Mastercards global transaction volume with 650 million transactions per day [1]. These payment processors seem to be basically levying a 1-3% tax on a nations entire GDP and enforcing their own ideas of what transactions should or shouldn't be allowed. With UPI and Pix etc. paving the way and showing its possible, it actually sounds insane to give so muc…
You're exaggerating for effect. GDP is the total value of all goods and services sold or bought; only a fraction of which is paid for with a credit card. I doubt an F35 is purchased with a Visa.
Re: Visa and Mastercard: The global payment duopoly (2024)
#219Brazil central bank introduced Pix a few years ago. It took over the country as the public basic infrastructure for money transfer. Totally free and instantaneous transactions between people and companies, available to all banks. Then, just last week, the US presidency launched an investigation considering Pix an unfair trade practice against the US. Actions like that may show the current direction of the US governme…
I'm not a big fan of crypto but I've always wondered why the US wouldn't want to create a highly secure private coin that's pegged to the dollar. I mean you put a very small transaction fee on it (can be far less than Visa's 2%) and you're suddenly generating revenue from tons of global transactions, benefiting from the status of the dollar being the global currency. You even get to "tax" illegal transactions, and as…
Re: Visa and Mastercard: The global payment duopoly (2024)
#220Brazil central bank introduced Pix a few years ago. It took over the country as the public basic infrastructure for money transfer. Totally free and instantaneous transactions between people and companies, available to all banks. Then, just last week, the US presidency launched an investigation considering Pix an unfair trade practice against the US. Actions like that may show the current direction of the US governme…
I'm not a big fan of crypto but I've always wondered why the US wouldn't want to create a highly secure private coin that's pegged to the dollar. I mean you put a very small transaction fee on it (can be far less than Visa's 2%) and you're suddenly generating revenue from tons of global transactions, benefiting from the status of the dollar being the global currency. You even get to "tax" illegal transactions, and as…
Yes. Also the current administration is hostile to public goods as a concept.
The politics around this is very weird. The US is basically regularizing "stablecoins" as electronic dollar-proxies while banning central bank digital currencies which the Fed has never planned to do. Basically to ensure all the profit and privacy risks stay in the private sector.