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Visa and Mastercard: The global payment duopoly (2024)

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Re: Visa and Mastercard: The global payment duopoly (2024)

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So what is the solution to this duopoly except for crypto? I envision a third payment processor that isn't Visa or Mastercard and not even crypto. It isn't Stripe or PayPal either, something completely different. Thoughts?

Unfortunately answering question with: "yes, crypto". (Sorry?!) the Bitcoin Lightning Network could be a very good backend base. You can even try it today (Using Cash app's built-in Lightning support to buy a meal at Steak 'n Shake.)

Re: Visa and Mastercard: The global payment duopoly (2024)

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The last section in the article speaks about RuPay but isn't this just one of the many implementations of UPI[1] ? In any case, imo, it is the start of the end for the duopoly and it is my hope that an truly open standard and protocol (unlike UPI) emerges (and no, the blockchain is not it -- crypto would just be accidental complexity in any potential solution).

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Payments_Interface

Re: Visa and Mastercard: The global payment duopoly (2024)

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So what is the solution to this duopoly except for crypto? I envision a third payment processor that isn't Visa or Mastercard and not even crypto. It isn't Stripe or PayPal either, something completely different. Thoughts?

Bring back Lina Khan and her monopoly crushing super powers. We need another Teddy Roosevelt type character to be our trust-busting savior or these companies will continue running roughshod over us until they've privatized the air we breath and are charging us a subscription fee for it.

Re: Visa and Mastercard: The global payment duopoly (2024)

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Brazil central bank introduced Pix a few years ago. It took over the country as the public basic infrastructure for money transfer. Totally free and instantaneous transactions between people and companies, available to all banks. Then, just last week, the US presidency launched an investigation considering Pix an unfair trade practice against the US. Actions like that may show the current direction of the US governme…

My understanding is that Pix took over because the Brazilian gov did transfer payments during covid and the (only?) way to get those payments was via Pix. So it forced everyone to start using it. And once people had more familiarity with Pix, merchants started pushing for it because it charges ACH level fees.

The chargeback system (MED) is only so-so right now, but expected to get better.

There is a lot to like about Pix, but the spec is extremely complicated and hard to implement.

Re: Visa and Mastercard: The global payment duopoly (2024)

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Brazil central bank introduced Pix a few years ago. It took over the country as the public basic infrastructure for money transfer. Totally free and instantaneous transactions between people and companies, available to all banks. Then, just last week, the US presidency launched an investigation considering Pix an unfair trade practice against the US. Actions like that may show the current direction of the US governme…

It's totally unfair that they don't get a cut from other people's business. /s

Re: Visa and Mastercard: The global payment duopoly (2024)

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So what is the solution to this duopoly except for crypto? I envision a third payment processor that isn't Visa or Mastercard and not even crypto. It isn't Stripe or PayPal either, something completely different. Thoughts?

Maybe something like India's UPI? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Payments_Interface

Re: Visa and Mastercard: The global payment duopoly (2024)

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post #34

Brazil central bank introduced Pix a few years ago. It took over the country as the public basic infrastructure for money transfer. Totally free and instantaneous transactions between people and companies, available to all banks. Then, just last week, the US presidency launched an investigation considering Pix an unfair trade practice against the US. Actions like that may show the current direction of the US governme…

My understanding is that Pix took over because the Brazilian gov did transfer payments during covid and the (only?) way to get those payments was via Pix. So it forced everyone to start using it. And once people had more familiarity with Pix, merchants started pushing for it because it charges ACH level fees. The chargeback system (MED) is only so-so right now, but expected to get better. There is a lot to like about…

I started using Pix, because it's the best way to do business with Chinese ecommerce sites.

You don't have to give your credit card details and refunds go straight back to your account.

In fact, it really impressed me that Aliexpress got it working before many Brazilian sites.

Re: Visa and Mastercard: The global payment duopoly (2024)

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Reading Barrett Brown's "My Glorious Defeats" at the moment, being reminded of that time Anonymous went after Visa, Mastercard, and others, in retaliation for them blocking payments to Wikileaks.

An action the payment companies took extrajudicially at the behest of the US government because the US gov was't happy with Wikileaks. Wikileaks' crime was that they'd been very successful at getting true information to the public about what governments were doing.

This was quite shocking to me (and at least some others, presumably) at the time, in 2011. I guess if we were taking it seriously, we would have been obliged to say: oh, how fundamentally authoritarian and anti-democratic.

When progressives/democrat/left types shout "fascism!" now on account of something Trump did or said, the cynical part of me says that a lot of them probably just want Obama/Clinton/Biden-flavoured authoritarianism rather than "ugly" lower-middle-class Trumpian authoritarianism.

Re: Visa and Mastercard: The global payment duopoly (2024)

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The last section in the article speaks about RuPay but isn't this just one of the many implementations of UPI[1] ? In any case, imo, it is the start of the end for the duopoly and it is my hope that an truly open standard and protocol (unlike UPI) emerges (and no, the blockchain is not it -- crypto would just be accidental complexity in any potential solution). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Payments_Inter…

RuPay isn't an implementation of UPI - it's an alternate payment network like STAR etc in the US. As a matter of fact, it's only recently that RuPay and UPI were connected:

From 8 June 2022, RBI allowed the linking of RuPay credit cards with India's Unified Payments Interface (UPI). In the absence of a physical card, customers can use their credit limit through for transactions.

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