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Re: Starlink is currently experiencing a service outage

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So, if (just spitballing here) Russia were to have wanted to take out Starlink in order to handicap Ukrainian operations, and they didn't want to do something as visible as actually taking out the satellites, what would be the most likely way for them to have done it? And how would we be able to check if that's what happened? No idea if this is plausible at all, just raising the question for anyone who knows more abo…

It's essentially impossible for anyone to disable the Starlink network by "taking out satellites" through physical means. There aren't enough anti satellite missiles in the world to make a dent, it would cost trillions to manufacture enough, and SpaceX can launch satellites faster than anyone could manufacture interceptors anyway. And Kessler syndrome is impossible at the altitudes Starlink uses. Cyberattack is the o…

Could some kind of microwave / laser attack from a high altitude air vehicle be possible?

Re: Starlink is currently experiencing a service outage

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>>There aren't enough anti satellite missiles in the world to make a dent, it would cost trillions to manufacture enough Few big nukes are enough to take out all satellites.

> Few big nukes are enough to take out all satellites. Um, no. Not even vaguely remotely. "Thousands of satellites" is a lot by historical human space standards, but compare that to the number of cars you see every day and then remember these are spread out over an area bigger then the surface of the entire planet. Don't be fooled by the simulation maps you can find online, where the satellites and tracks are shown t…

I always assumed that Starshield (DoD starlink) exists so that the DoD can make strategic geopolitical decisions (like giving satcom c&c to Ukrainian suicide drones in Crimea) without painting a target on the back of SpaceX’s big moneymaker.

They famously did not want to get involved in the war.

I imagine DoD having their own constellation with equivalent tech was the deal set up to give the Russians and whoever else a different set of targets to retaliate against, push comes to shove.

Re: Starlink is currently experiencing a service outage

#233

I'm posting this from my Starlink connection, been working fine here. I'm close to the arctic circle so maybe the polar orbiting satellites are not affected

They're all the same satellites. It's actually impossible to have a satellite just orbit at the poles.

https://www.starlinkmap.org

Re: Starlink is currently experiencing a service outage

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The article you linked to states 2,500 reports on DD. Does that count as "major" now?

Why wouldn’t it count if multiple operators are down for multiple thousands of people for several hours? Not even emergency numbers were working.

Re: Starlink is currently experiencing a service outage

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Cyberattack. Given the usage in active wars, it's a big juicy target. There's precedent too; Russia hacked Viasat at the start of the Ukraine war. They actually bricked user terminals in that attack.

FYI, Vodafone and other major European mobile networks were down during the last few days. This is hybrid warfare, not a coincidence. Russia needs to learn some manners, the hard way.

For now Russia is teaching us on how to use dishwasher chips in a smart way.

Re: Starlink is currently experiencing a service outage

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post #181

So, if (just spitballing here) Russia were to have wanted to take out Starlink in order to handicap Ukrainian operations, and they didn't want to do something as visible as actually taking out the satellites, what would be the most likely way for them to have done it? And how would we be able to check if that's what happened? No idea if this is plausible at all, just raising the question for anyone who knows more abo…

The Russians use Starlink too, saw a video on Kiev Independent that had a Ukranian drone team take out a Starlink dish atop a Russian bunker.

I imagine it is illegal for Starlink to not geofence service to prevent Russians using it for exactly that purpose. Sanctions still exist, after all.

Re: Starlink is currently experiencing a service outage

#238

So, if (just spitballing here) Russia were to have wanted to take out Starlink in order to handicap Ukrainian operations, and they didn't want to do something as visible as actually taking out the satellites, what would be the most likely way for them to have done it? And how would we be able to check if that's what happened? No idea if this is plausible at all, just raising the question for anyone who knows more abo…

Get an employee to take the network down from the inside. Either exploit existing employees or take years to seed an agent into the company. State level persistent attacks are well funded and have long timelines.

I'd wonder about someone targeting Musk seeing as Starlink is one of his ventures that seems to be running well up to now while his other companies have issues. Having typed that out it seems like a spy movie plot, but that seems to be the world we're living in recently.

Re: Starlink is currently experiencing a service outage

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I would still bet against the Russians taking down all of Starlink. If they had a zero day that could do that, they'd save it for just before a big war. But Russian low-intensity hybrid warfare, including infiltration and sabotage, is very real. Particularly in Europe and especially so in eastern Europe. There's a lot of nasty things going on in border areas that isn't widely reported.

Things get patched over time, Nato has their own comms systems whilst Ukraine relies on this third party, and the US just accepted the EU funded weapons sale so their Trump advantage seems to have disappeared with his patience in P's promises. Thus using the weakness to launch a coordinated summer offensive now for a decisive breakthrough before US weapons supplies reaches full speed again seems like a reasonably goo…

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Re: Starlink is currently experiencing a service outage

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The article you linked to states 2,500 reports on DD. Does that count as "major" now?

Why wouldn’t it count if multiple operators are down for multiple thousands of people for several hours? Not even emergency numbers were working.

2,500 people out of 70,000,000 isn't "major." And your own link states that 999 service was restored in 61 minutes.

Emergency service lines go down somewhere in the world almost every day. Often for longer than that.

HN didn't used to be a place for people who like to gin up conspiracies, and engage in speculative hyperbole.

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