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Re: Oracle makes move to kill open source MySQL

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Post by fredsanford » Sun, Sep 02, 2012, 4:38 PM UTC

Nogwater wrote: post #9

fredsanford wrote: post #3

Time to brush up on Postgres or Firebird. Let Oracle shoot off all their feet.

I don't know anything about Firebird. Is it really a good replacement for MySQL?

I found it to be pretty solid and fast when I last used it, which was right after Borland Open-Sourced it. It was forked from Interbase.

Re: Oracle makes move to kill open source MySQL

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Post by fatbird » Sun, Sep 02, 2012, 4:41 PM UTC

ddon wrote: post #18

grandalf wrote: post #17

Let's hope someone forks it and teaches Oracle a lesson.

MariaDB is already a fork of MySQL, and many developers from MySQL now developing MariaDB.

Isn't MariaDB the fork by Monty, the original developer of MySQL who sold it to Sun in the first place, setting off multiple rounds of cashing out?

Re: Oracle makes move to kill open source MySQL

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Post by adgar » Sun, Sep 02, 2012, 4:48 PM UTC

james-skemp wrote: post #5

For those who try to stay away from TC: "it appears that Oracle is making its revision tests and histories closed source" sums up the few paragraph link bait ... :)

Linkbait indeed. The move toward "open core," shitty as it may be, has been transparently ongoing for some time now.

Re: Oracle makes move to kill open source MySQL

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Post by mykhamill » Sun, Sep 02, 2012, 4:49 PM UTC

james-skemp wrote: post #5

For those who try to stay away from TC: "it appears that Oracle is making its revision tests and histories closed source" sums up the few paragraph link bait ... :)

Thanks for that, it is like you read my mind :)

Re: Oracle makes move to kill open source MySQL

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Post by arkitaip » Sun, Sep 02, 2012, 4:50 PM UTC

dj2stein9 wrote: post #16

As mentioned in the comments see MariaDB ( http://mariadb.org/ ), an open source fork of MySQL from before the Oracle acquisition. Like Hudson, MySQL will live on.

Yeah, Maria is the fork that people should switch to. Also, it's created by Michael "Monty" Widenius, the original developer of MySQL.

Re: Oracle makes move to kill open source MySQL

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Post by masklinn » Sun, Sep 02, 2012, 5:01 PM UTC

mtgx wrote: post #20

It seems Oracle is on a trend to kill everything open source they've acquired from Sun. Java seems to be the only one left, and it would've happened already if they won the trial with Google, but I'm sure they'll do something equally dumb in the future to kill finally Java, too.

> It seems Oracle is on a trend to kill everything open source they've acquired from Sun.

Oracle is, above everything else, about monetization. If they can't make money out of it, they will either change it so they can make money out of it, or they'll kill it.

Sun was generally good at open-source (though not perfect by a long shot, OpenSolaris was not exactly a slam dunk and the CDDL was rather weird — and explicitly and expressedly made incompatible with the GPL), but they were rather bad at monetizing. Oracle's the exact opposite.

Re: Oracle makes move to kill open source MySQL

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Post by masklinn » Sun, Sep 02, 2012, 5:01 PM UTC

fatbird wrote: post #22

ddon wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MariaDB is already a fork of MySQL, and many developers from MySQL now developing MariaDB.

Isn't MariaDB the fork by Monty, the original developer of MySQL who sold it to Sun in the first place, setting off multiple rounds of cashing out?

Yes.

Re: Oracle makes move to kill open source MySQL

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Post by meritt » Sun, Sep 02, 2012, 5:02 PM UTC

dj2stein9 wrote: post #16

As mentioned in the comments see MariaDB ( http://mariadb.org/ ), an open source fork of MySQL from before the Oracle acquisition. Like Hudson, MySQL will live on.

I've been using Percona for a number of years now. Are there any solid comparisons between Percona and MariaDB?

Re: Oracle makes move to kill open source MySQL

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Post by masklinn » Sun, Sep 02, 2012, 5:02 PM UTC

skymt wrote: post #6

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #4

LibreSQL, where are you? :(

Isn't that what MariaDB is for?

MariaDB is by Monty, creator of MySQL who previously sold-then-forked it. So there's no guarantee the same thing won't happen to it (quite the opposite really).

Re: Oracle makes move to kill open source MySQL

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Post by spudlyo » Sun, Sep 02, 2012, 5:15 PM UTC

This test-case controversy was both discovered and ginned up by Monty and the MariaDB folks, who have much to gain by the rejection of Oracle's brand of MySQL and the promotion of MariaDB. While it may be part of some larger and sinister plan to "kill" open source MySQL as the article suggests, it seems more likely to me that it was simply a mistake, and one they'll walk back at some point.

If it is an anti-competitive move, it reminds me of the recent move by RedHat, who have started shipping their new kernels as one big source tarball, without patches, which undoubtedly pissed off both Oracle and the CentOS folks.