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Electric cars produce less brake dust pollution than combustion-engine cars

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Post by Zambyte »

altairprime wrote: post #39
rayiner wrote: post #16

We should obviously ban combustion engine cars, at least starting with cities. I can’t think of a single clearer win for air quality.

If all of us renters were forced to convert to electric there’d never be an open charger in any city again for the next five years, because no landlord will voluntarily afford that cost, and no municipal region can pass a ballot measure to afford that cost. California’s impending ban of combustion car sales hinges wholly on a magical DC-charging network that doesn’t exist in U.S. cities yet (i.e. at parking meters),…

I never have to wait in line or had issues with supplying power while charging my electric vehicle in my bedroom. The problem is thinking gas car and electric car are your two options.

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Post by 1234letshaveatw »

sofixa wrote: post #521
1234letshaveatw wrote: post #488

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I'm sure you feel the same way about cutting down on cell phones right? How about we just let people keep their cars (preferably EVs), but feel free to go live in a dense cell block and eat bug juice if that is what floats your boat.

> I'm sure you feel the same way about cutting down on cell phones right How many people die in cell phone accidents yearly where you live? How many have reduced lifespans due to the pollution of cell phones? And how many hours can be saved per year per human with good cell phone sharing? I would guess the number is 0 for all of those, but quite a bit higher for cars alternative transportation options. If you feel pe…

Do you have any idea how many hours the average person uses their phone? There is no other object that has been a greater detriment to mental and physical health in human history. This is just another instance where someone is willing to push something (only using public transport) on someone else because it fits their viewpoint, but you can't even consider something that would have a similar impact on yourself in return (giving up your phone).

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Post by vladvasiliu »

adgjlsfhk1 wrote: post #502
vladvasiliu wrote: post #409

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Do all Toyotas do that? I'm pretty sure that my dad's Corolla will rev the engine when I press the gas if the engine is already running. I'm also surprised for the first few minutes when I drive it how little "engine braking" it has (my habit is from riding a big motorbike).

it's possible that the engine rev is just the speakers. a lot of cars are doing fake engine sounds.

The dash has an RPM gauge which moves. Also, the noise is horrendous, not sure why they would have chosen that when they could have used a nicer-sounding tone. This is a tame small car, not something you'd buy to impress your friends.

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Post by Zambyte »

rayiner wrote: post #553
xyst wrote: post #168

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Car based transportation is just not scalable. Other countries have figured this out. Norway in particular. Working transportation models exist and this country has the funds to make it happen. However because of American Exceptionalism, we have very limited options.

> Car based transportation is just not scalable. We have scaled it! We're a country of 330 million people where almost everyone drives. > However because of American Exceptionalism, we have very limited options. It's only "American Exceptionalism" insofar as Americans are rich compared to Europeans. Upper middle class people across Europe also live in suburbs and drive to places. American wealth/land space simply ena…

> We have scaled it!

said the man, 37 trillion dollars in debt. Go team!

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Post by WorldMaker »

jjayj wrote: post #33
rayiner wrote: post #16

We should obviously ban combustion engine cars, at least starting with cities. I can’t think of a single clearer win for air quality.

I would love to have gone electric (bought a car in September) but I rent and don't have any way to charge at my residence. How do we solve the renters-that-cant-charge-their-cars problem?

One option may be to ask your work to electrify a parking spot for you? Depending on the type of company there can be big enough subsidies and tax-write-off capital investments in adding more electric parking spaces that they might do it just for that. (It can be fun to use accounting games in your personal favor.) For other types of companies they may see that as a possible "captive audience" revenue source, with nickel and dime-ing electric charge fees on top of existing parking fees to be a a fun game to play with their own employees whose cars are stuck in the same place for many hours at a time because they "must" be in the office.

Either of those two common types of companies you can possibly "win" an easy way to charge your daily commute.

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Post by nordsieck »

From what I've heard there's a countervailing effect for EVs, though - they end up generating more particulate pollution from tire wear because of greater vehicle weight and greater torque.

The number that I've seen bandied about is ~20% greater tire wear.

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Post by frollogaston »

MindSpunk wrote: post #186
cloverich wrote: post #153

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Surprisingly you can get nearly same effect in automatics. I put around 60k miles on my first automatic (after120k+ on my first two cars, manual transmissions) and when i got my brakes checked at 63k they noted my brakes were still "brand new". I do gamify reading traffic to try and brake as little as possible (to help pass time etc), but was still surprised how far this takes you given i do plenty of stop and go tra…

It's not "nearly". It's exactly the same effect. Compression braking. Even if you're not on the throttle the engine is still rotating as it's connected to the wheels. If the engine is rotating it is compressing air. If it's compressing air but not igniting fuel (throttle closed) then it will suck energy out of the wheels to compress the air. You can do it in an automatic, you just have to force it to select a lower g…

Auto trans downshift is designed for long hills, not downshifting frequently to stop signs etc like you'd do with a stick.

Even with paddles, there's a delay, or it briefly goes neutral, or it doesn't rev-match well. Or you can't double/triple-downshift, which is worse when you have 8-12 gears. Allegedly wears them down faster too, which idk but would not be surprised if it were true given how unhappy it feels.

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Post by Zambyte »

jjayj wrote: post #33
rayiner wrote: post #16

We should obviously ban combustion engine cars, at least starting with cities. I can’t think of a single clearer win for air quality.

I would love to have gone electric (bought a car in September) but I rent and don't have any way to charge at my residence. How do we solve the renters-that-cant-charge-their-cars problem?

> How do we solve the renters-that-cant-charge-their-cars problem?

By solving the renters-think-they-need-to-own-a-car problem.

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