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Re: AI overviews cause massive drop in search clicks

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Here is the experience when clicking a link on mobile: * Page loads, immediately when I start scrolling and reading a popup trying to get tracking consent * If I am lucky, there is a "necessary only". When unlucky I need to click "manage options" and first see how to reject all tracking * There is a sticky banner on top/bottom taking 20-30% of my screen upselling me a subscription or asking me to install their app. U…

Set up your browser to open all websites in reader view and all these problems are solved.

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post #384

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If the content is free, monetizing you is clearly necessary (/s, kinda)

Monetizing is fine with me: There’s nothing stopping creators from showing relevant ads—ones they choose themselves. Sometimes I have even found myself wishing there had been an ad a few months ago for a software conference I just realized I missed. If someone blogs about woodworking, show static ads for tools they actually use and love. If they're into programming, show JetBrains, cloud providers, or anything dev-ad…

Ah I remember the good-old day when people were selling "ad spaces" on their sites that weren't obtrusive. And usually the ads were things the author approved of or even used

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post #234

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> faster and easier to click the HN comments link and infer the info I want from the comments Or, youre confusing primordial desire to be aligned with perceived peers -- checking what others say, then effortlessly nodding along -- with forming your own judgment.

I absolutely do that because I got so bullied that my personality shifted from self-expression to emulation. I realized that just this week because I caught myself copying a coworker he's respected and has people laughing with his jokes, and wondered why I have the tendency to do it. But I never expected that this would also link back to my tendency to skip an article and just stick to what the top comments of a sect…

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Some people are against all kinds of progress. They don't understand that their life depends on progress that was made in the past.

This is because they have entrenched themselves in a comfortable position that they don’t want to give up. Most won’t admit this to be the actual reason. Think about it: you are a normal hands on self thought software developer. You grew up tinkering with Linux and a bit of hardware. You realise there’s good money to be made in a software career. You do it for 20-30 years; mostly the same stuff over and over again. S…

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post #391

What current incentive is left for people to publish on the internet? Discovery mechanisms are less effective than before, people no longer visit your website, copyright is dead and in the end we're just feeding an insatiable machine with slave labour. Or am I missing something ?

What was the initial incentive for people to publish on the internet before ad revenue was a thing?

Information sharing with other humans, not corporations.

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I just wonder

if AI will destroy the internet... what it will use to train the next generation on? If people go to AI instead of reddit and stack overflow, what will they train the next models on? They have used reddit extensively to train the first GPT models.

I guess that's "tomorrow's problem" though

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The overviews are also wrong and difficult to get fixed. Google AI has been listing incorrect internal extensions causing departments to field calls for people trying to reach unrelated divisions and services, listing times and dates of events that don't exist at our addresses that people are showing up to, and generally misdirecting and misguiding people who really need correct information from a truth source like o…

In the UK we've got amazing National Health Service informational websites[1], and regional variations of those [2]. For some issues, you might get different advice in the Scottish one than the UK-wide one. So, if you've gone into labour somewhere in the remote Highlands and Islands, you'll get different advice than if you lived in Central London, where there's a delivery room within a 30 minute drive. Google's AI ov…

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> For some issues, you might get different advice in the Scottish one than the UK-wide one its not a UK wide one. The home page says "NHS Website for England". I seem to remember the Scottish one had privacy issues with Google tracking embedded, BTW. > So, if you've gone into labour somewhere in the remote Highlands and Islands, you'll get different advice than if you lived in Central London, where there's a delivery…

> But someone in a remote part of England will get the same advice as someone in central London, The current system might not have perfect geographic granularity but that doesn't mean it isn't preferable to one that gives advice from half the world away. > Human biology is the same, diseases are the same, and the difference in available treatments is not usually all that different Accepted medical definitions differ,…

England is not "half the world away" from Scotland.

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post #322

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> (and angry potential customer) An angry potential customer who demands one work for free is probably not the kind of business arrangement that most folks would find agreeable. I don’t know where these people get off, but they’re free riders on the information superhighway. If wishes were horses, beggars would ride.

That same person might have actually paid money if they weren’t (somewhat legitimately) lied to about it being free. Or just not gone. Instead it’s the worst outcome for everyone, and everyone is angry and thinks each other are assholes. I guess that does sum up America the last few years eh?

> That same person might have actually paid money if they weren’t (somewhat legitimately) lied to about it being free. Or just not gone.

His problem.

Re: AI overviews cause massive drop in search clicks

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Here is the experience when clicking a link on mobile: * Page loads, immediately when I start scrolling and reading a popup trying to get tracking consent * If I am lucky, there is a "necessary only". When unlucky I need to click "manage options" and first see how to reject all tracking * There is a sticky banner on top/bottom taking 20-30% of my screen upselling me a subscription or asking me to install their app. U…

>* If I am lucky, there is a "necessary only".* I never use those. I suspect that in many cases if there are "legitimate interest" options¹ those will remain opted-in. ---- [1] which I read as "we see your preference not to be stalked online, but fuck you and your silly little preferences we want to anyway"

Same as "Do Not Track'...
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