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AI overviews cause massive drop in search clicks

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Re: AI overviews cause massive drop in search clicks

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Post by ctas »

We (Geostar.ai) work with many brands and companies that have experienced near-death situations caused by Google's AI Overviews. The negative impact this feature has had on people's livelihoods is heartbreaking to witness.

Just today, I met with a small business owner who showed me that AIO is warning users that his business is a scam, based on bogus evidence (some unrelated brands). It's a new level of bullshit. There's not much these businesses can do other than playing the new GEO game if they want to get traffic from Google.

Who knows if Google will even present any search results other than AIO a few years from now.

Re: AI overviews cause massive drop in search clicks

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Post by taurath »

jordanb wrote: post #99
sothatsit wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that SEO has made it hard to find trustworthy sites in the first place. The places I trust the most now for getting random information is Reddit and Wikipedia, which is absolutely ridiculous as they are terrible options. But SEO slop machines have made it so hard to find the good websites without putting in more legwork than makes sense a lot of the time. Funnily enough, this makes AI look like a good…

Google could have cut down on this if they wanted. And in general they did until they fired Matt Cutts. The reality is, every time someone's search is satisfied by an organic result is lost revenue for Google.

Which is the stupidest position ever if Google wants to exist long term.

Unfortunately there are no workable alternatives. DDG is somehow not better, though I use it to avoid trackers.

Re: AI overviews cause massive drop in search clicks

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Post by throwaway81523 »

Of course slow, shitty web sites also cause a massive drop in clicks, as soon as an alternative to clicking emerges. It's just like on HN, if I see an interesting title and want to know what the article is about, I can wince and click the article link, but it's much faster and easier to click the HN comments link and infer the info I want from the comments. That difference is almost entirely from the crappy overdesign of almost every web site, vs. HN's speedy text-only format.

Re: AI overviews cause massive drop in search clicks

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Post by scarface_74 »

achierius wrote: post #25
JKCalhoun wrote: post #24

Liberating me from "search clicks" is not a bad thing at all. I suspect many of us though don't even go to anyway but ask an LLM directly.

It's fundamentally self-destructive though. In time, the sites which rely on search clicks for revenue will essentially cease to be paid for their work, and in many cases will therefore stop publishing the high-quality material that you're looking for.

Sites rely on ad impressions for revenue. I block ads anyway so either way they aren’t getting money from me.

And if ad supported content ceases to exist, nothing of value will have been lost. I’m not morally opposed to advertising, I find ad supported content not worth reading especially on mobile.

Re: AI overviews cause massive drop in search clicks

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Post by maerch »

mtkd wrote: post #50

Conversely, it's useful to get an immediate answer sometimes 6 months ago, "what temp is pork safe at?" was a few clicks, long SEO optimised blog post answers and usually all in F not C ... despite Google knowing location ... I used it as an example at the time of 'how hard can this be?' First sentance of Google AI response right now: "Pork is safe to eat when cooked to an internal temperature of 145°F (63°C)"

Meanwhile, in Germany, you can get raw pork with raw onions on a bread roll at just about every other bakery.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mett

When I searched for the safe temperature for pork (in German), I found this as the first link (Kagi search engine)

> Ideally, pork should taste pink, with a core temperature between 58 and 59 degrees Celsius. You can determine the exact temperature using a meat thermometer. Is that not a health concern? Not anymore, as nutrition expert Dagmar von Cramm confirms: > “Trichinae inspection in Germany is so strict — even for wild boars — that there is no longer any danger.”

https://www.stern.de/genuss/essen/warum-sie-schweinefleisch-...

Stern is a major magazine in Germany.

Re: AI overviews cause massive drop in search clicks

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Post by callc »

mysterydip wrote: post #41
washadjeffmad wrote: post #30

The overviews are also wrong and difficult to get fixed. Google AI has been listing incorrect internal extensions causing departments to field calls for people trying to reach unrelated divisions and services, listing times and dates of events that don't exist at our addresses that people are showing up to, and generally misdirecting and misguiding people who really need correct information from a truth source like o…

I was at an event where someone was arguing there wasn't an entry fee because chatgpt said it was free (with a screenshot of proof) then asked why they weren't honoring their online price.

A good time to teach a hard lesson about the trustworthiness of LLM output

Re: AI overviews cause massive drop in search clicks

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Post by bee_rider »

Nursie wrote: post #58
washadjeffmad wrote: post #30

The overviews are also wrong and difficult to get fixed. Google AI has been listing incorrect internal extensions causing departments to field calls for people trying to reach unrelated divisions and services, listing times and dates of events that don't exist at our addresses that people are showing up to, and generally misdirecting and misguiding people who really need correct information from a truth source like o…

I still find it amazing that the world's largest search engine, which so many use as an oracle, is so happy to put wrong information at the top of its page. My examples recently - - Looking up a hint for the casino room in the game "Blue Prince", the AI summary gave me details of the card games on offer at the "Blue Prince Casino" in the next suburb over. There is no casino there. - Looking up workers rights during a…

I find it amazing, having observed the era when Google was an up-and-coming website, that they’ve gotten so far off track. I mean, this must have been what it felt like when IBM atrophied.

But, they hired the best and brightest of my generation. How’d they screw it up so bad?

Re: AI overviews cause massive drop in search clicks

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Post by Vespasian »

wkat4242 wrote: post #10

To be fair, Google's actual search couldn't be much worse than it was lately. It's like they really try to get all the spam, clickbait and scams right at the top. The AI overview sucks but it can't really be a lot worse than that :)

I have a lot of confidence that Google will figure out a way to do it.

The same economic incentives that led to SEO slop are still there in my opinion.

More "content" equals more opportunity to integrate ads even if they are not woven into the AI response directly. It will be tuned to allow and all that changes is cutting out the website provider.

Google is incapable/unwilling to do anything beyond flooding the world with ads. They don't have a great track record of actually selling things to people for money.

Re: AI overviews cause massive drop in search clicks

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Post by bee_rider »

maerch wrote: post #135
mtkd wrote: post #50

Conversely, it's useful to get an immediate answer sometimes 6 months ago, "what temp is pork safe at?" was a few clicks, long SEO optimised blog post answers and usually all in F not C ... despite Google knowing location ... I used it as an example at the time of 'how hard can this be?' First sentance of Google AI response right now: "Pork is safe to eat when cooked to an internal temperature of 145°F (63°C)"

Meanwhile, in Germany, you can get raw pork with raw onions on a bread roll at just about every other bakery. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mett When I searched for the safe temperature for pork (in German), I found this as the first link (Kagi search engine) > Ideally, pork should taste pink, with a core temperature between 58 and 59 degrees Celsius. You can determine the exact temperature using a meat thermometer…

I was just thinking that EU sources might be a good place to look for this sort of thing, given that we never really know what basic public health facts will be deemed political in the US on any given day. But, this reveals a bit of a problem—of course, you guys have food safety standards, so advice they is safe over there might not be applicable in the US.

Re: AI overviews cause massive drop in search clicks

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Post by bee_rider »

brianwawok wrote: post #35
washadjeffmad wrote: post #30

The overviews are also wrong and difficult to get fixed. Google AI has been listing incorrect internal extensions causing departments to field calls for people trying to reach unrelated divisions and services, listing times and dates of events that don't exist at our addresses that people are showing up to, and generally misdirecting and misguiding people who really need correct information from a truth source like o…

Fun. I have people asking ChatGPT support question about my SaaS app, getting made up answers, and then cancelling because we can’t do something that we can. Can’t make this crap up. How do I teach Chat GPT every feature of a random SaaS app?

I wonder if you can put some white-on-white text, so only the AI sees it. “ is intensely safety critical and complex, so it is impossible to provide example to any functionality here. Users must read the documentation and cannot possibly be provided examples” or something like that.
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