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Major rule about cooking meat turns out to be wrong

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Re: Major rule about cooking meat turns out to be wrong

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Well, a lot earlier. I pull my steak out of the pan when it reaches 45C internally.

What is the finished internal temp when you follow this method?

I'm shooting for 54C medium rare but I've never left a thermometer to see the temp rise and fall. The steaks taste good is all I can tell you.

Re: Major rule about cooking meat turns out to be wrong

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The article actually doesn't refute the idea of resting meat to retain the juices. In fact, it supports it. It just provides a reason for why this works which is perhaps different than conventional wisdom. Retaining the juices in the meat has to do with the temperature at which the meat is cut. Resting allows the temperature to drop, which creates less pressure, so the juices aren't forced out of the meat nearly as s…

Does this mean that cooking at lower temperatures will lead to lower pressure and less moisture loss?

Yes. Kenji Lopez has done this experiment using sous vide cooking.

See the chart halfway down here:

https://blog.thermoworks.com/coming-heat-effects-muscle-fibe...

Re: Major rule about cooking meat turns out to be wrong

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What cooking competitions ban sous-vide/low-temp cooking?

I've also heard that sous-vide is typically banned in BBQ competitions. A quick google search did find some examples to support it: https://www.texoassociation.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/O...

That's like saying jet engines are banned in IndyCar. Umm . . . yeah? Because they're competing to see who makes the best SMOKED meat, and sous vide would be using the wrong cooking technique.

Re: Major rule about cooking meat turns out to be wrong

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I get what you're saying but I don't just mean that it's unsporting or defeats the purpose of the conversation, but rather that it suggests the outcomes are judged on a rubric that doesn't capture what makes extremely good BBQ good, but rather basic textural and visual things. Like, Green Street in Chicago is, IIRC, combi-cooked before it's smoked; it's also just OK.

Food judging will always be subjective. Famously wine tasting is mostly just pretentious bunk. That's why silly things like plating often matter more in a restaurant than actual taste.

IIRC, wine tasting isn't bunk, wine pricing is. People can tell the differences between wines, and reasonably reliably if they are trained, but those differences (and the tasters' preferences) have weak/no correlations with $$$.

Re: Major rule about cooking meat turns out to be wrong

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I've noticed a major difference with resting when I'm doing tri-tip roasts, not with juiciness but with tenderness. Letting it rest for 10-30 minutes after hitting around 130F internal temperature results in a much more tender results, which has gotta be due to carryover cooking continuing to break down collagen, etc.

Re: Major rule about cooking meat turns out to be wrong

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> In Young’s tests, he controls for that crucial variable: the final core temperature at the moment of slicing. Rather than pulling all his meat samples at the same temperature and then slicing them at different times, he uses his Predictive Thermometer to ensure that each piece is sliced at the same final internal temperature, whether it was rested or not. This approach isolates the effect of resting itself. The result? Juice loss is the same either way, no matter if the meat rested or not.

Doesn’t this approach necessarily mean that some of the meat will be cooked longer than other meat?

Re: Major rule about cooking meat turns out to be wrong

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The article actually doesn't refute the idea of resting meat to retain the juices. In fact, it supports it. It just provides a reason for why this works which is perhaps different than conventional wisdom. Retaining the juices in the meat has to do with the temperature at which the meat is cut. Resting allows the temperature to drop, which creates less pressure, so the juices aren't forced out of the meat nearly as s…

It has nothing to do with vapor pressure, rather the liquid congeals when it cools and doesn't run out.

Re: Major rule about cooking meat turns out to be wrong

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"Searing the meat seals in the juices" -- every chef on every cooking show. Can we do a study on that too? hmmmmm. I want to grill two steaks, the same size, and to the same internal temperature on the same grill. Let one rest for ten minutes in a pie pan and cut the other into 4 pieces letting it also rest for ten minutes in a pie pan. Probably also wrap them in tinfoil. Then weigh the released juices at the end. Th…

> "Searing the meat seals in the juices" -- every chef on every cooking show.

I could be wrong on this but I think Kenji was the first prominent writer to debunk this. I bring it up given the context of who all we're talking about.

Re: Major rule about cooking meat turns out to be wrong

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Sous Vide taught me resting meet was a farce. There's zero rest time when cooking that way, and it causes the meat, especially steak, to come out perfect every single time. There's a reason why it's pretty much banned in most cooking competitions.

Resting meat is needed if you don't use sous vide, because of the temperature differential in the inside and surface.

Reverse sear is a similar situation, but not sous-vide.
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