maybe they are already doing recall quietly for years.
wikileaks was 15 years ago. tech has come long way.
Brave blocks Microsoft Recall by default
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Re: Brave blocks Microsoft Recall by default
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not who you asked, but the reason I migrated to Macs years ago, and the reason I stay, is that I don't want my computer to be a maintenance hobby unto itself. I need to do actual work. I also enjoy the polish Apple provides in other ways -- the platform features you get if you're on a Mac, use an iPhone, have a Watch, etc, are all pretty great. Cobbling together something like that on my own under Linux probably…
Use a stable distribution like Debian and maintenance only happens every 4-5 years, if you don't mind staying with older software.
> if you don't mind staying with older software.
The problem is: it depends a lot on the specific program whether I want the newest or stay with some older version of some program. Many GNU/Linux distributions make this hard, while Windows makes this easy.
Re: Brave blocks Microsoft Recall by default
#53Who, exactly, is clamoring for Recall in the first place? And who is to say that Microsoft will honor the toggle, “for analytic and performance metric” purposes? EDIT: the rant above shouldn’t cast aspersions on Brave, good on them for trying.
>Who, exactly, is clamoring for Recall in the first place?
NSA, CIA, maybe even ICE nowadays.
Re: Brave blocks Microsoft Recall by default
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think it’s a cool and potentially useful feature as long as it stays local.
“as long as it stays local” i think we both know how that will go. first, Microsoft will exfiltrate data for the purposes of performance and analytics, in scare quotes. Next, they’ll do it in order to train copilot, in an unannounced update, and tell us this is a wonderful new feature. Finally, they’ll bundle this data that they said would always remain local, and offer it for sale as training data, which government…
Yep. Same kind of behavior as Oracle. Do not anthropomorphize the lawnmower.
Re: Brave blocks Microsoft Recall by default
#55> We tell the operating system that every Brave tab is ‘private’, so Recall never captures it. Without this loophole Recall could take pix of password managers and other such sensitive windows. So it doesn't seem closeable without per app exceptions. But privacy is a bug on a school laptop used by a child. Brave could have a toggle on the feature if it wants to serve that market.
> But privacy is a bug on a school laptop used by a child. What you're going to learn is how many people that think like this consider you to be in the same position as the child.
"The whole principle (censorship) is wrong; it's like demanding that grown men live on skim milk because the baby can't eat steak.” ― Robert A. Heinlein
Re: Brave blocks Microsoft Recall by default
#56The real question is: can recall be forcibly torn out of your system, not if a specific application tries to "block" it.
With windows I wouldn't put it past Microsoft to helpfully 'repair' it after any given update, similar with a lot of the privacy tweakers you can find. Then it becomes a monthly task after patch Tuesday to confirm your system is how you want it.
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#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
It seems it enables Copilot to assist the user in finding things on their PC. Somehow find . -iname has worked for years in Linux without AI
They are where I put them. Never used a search function once like this. Perhaps it’s because I lived in the days before search was even a thing.
There definitely is a sort of pseudo generational gap of how peole interact with computers. I was having a conversation with a 20ish year old the other day about computer for storage and they didn't understand the filing cabinet analogy. Like, for then everything had to be in the desktop folder, but the concept that C:\Users\User\Desktop was like having a folder in a filing cabinet, where C: was the actual cabinet, was so alien to them.
Re: Brave blocks Microsoft Recall by default
#58Another way to use up disk space and push cloudification. In addition to all the concerns already listed.
You would think a trillion-dollar company could use its resources to build something useful and move the technology forward with something like a new file system with versioning or a global file system, or updates that don't require a restart, maybe immutability of some sort, something useful for a change.
Instead their breakthrough feature is a tool that takes a screenshot every few seconds and fills up the drive space, sigh. And they even couldn't get that right on the first try, the first version was a privacy nightmare.
Re: Brave blocks Microsoft Recall by default
#59Until the time when Microsoft realises this and creates a privileged API just for Microsoft Recall so that It can see the screen. Better switch to Linux. It's not perfect but I am sure that you will be fine using Linux(Unless you want to use Adobe Suite or Few Corporate applications which won't be used by many)
You have to opt in to Recall. You must have a “Copilot+ PC” which has an “NPU”. The snapshots are stored and processed locally.
> The snapshots are stored and processed locally.
Even if that's the design, it's a massive new attack surface for malware to try to exfiltrate.
Re: Brave blocks Microsoft Recall by default
#60Until the time when Microsoft realises this and creates a privileged API just for Microsoft Recall so that It can see the screen. Better switch to Linux. It's not perfect but I am sure that you will be fine using Linux(Unless you want to use Adobe Suite or Few Corporate applications which won't be used by many)
Or most professional audio applications...
Bitwig works on Linux, but the problem I had was that my pro-audio soundcard [1] didn’t have supported drivers and I couldn’t get the open source drivers to work. I tried switching to a Dante based solution: none of the Dante based apps worked, so I tried AES67 (open source Dante), still no joy — I just could not get my Dante/AES67 AD/DA converters (which attach to everything in my studio) to be ‘seen’ on Linux.
So after weeks trying to get a high-channel count I/O solution working, I gave in, I found the best thing to do was to just get a M4 Mac Mini for my audio/studio work. And leave Linux for everything else. I was setup within an hour on macOS.
There’s unfortunately still too much resistance and it can cost $1000s trying to get to a working solution or ultimately in my case: a non-working solution. It cost me about $6000 trying various options — not all wasted, but still, not cheap to find out that nothing works.