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Re: Greg Knauss's 10-year-old son's $23,800 bug bite

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The BC government doesn't pay for my insulin. As a type 1 diabetic... yeah, I'd say it is medically required.

Medicines, in BC, are covered under a separate plan.. Pharmacare. As far as this goes, insulin is covered: http://www.health.gov.bc.ca/pharmacare/generalinfo/generalin...

Yes, I'm aware of PharmaCare. Sure, they theoretically cover insulin; but if you read the fine print about which insulins they cover, it's not so helpful.

An example of their craziness: They cover insulin pumps for children under 18, but they don't cover the types of insulin which work in insulin pumps.

Re: Greg Knauss's 10-year-old son's $23,800 bug bite

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A young coworker had an ATV accident. It was ugly, but not so bad that they weren't on IM within days talking about work.

Total bill: just shy of $100,000.

A friend's son had appendicitis. Uneventful appendicitis.

Total bill: neighborhood of $35,000.

Add to this: tens of millions of people are, despite any debilitating medical conditions or even better-than-even likelihood of incurring anomalous medical expenses at all, actuarially precluded from getting insurance on the private market. There are very long lists of widespread health conditions, most of them "chronic", most of them minor, that will land you on automatic exclusion lists (not "we will cover you but not for this condition", but, "we will not issue a policy for you at all"). Particularly if you are a woman with a functioning reproductive system.

Once again I say: I cannot understand how anybody who runs a software business or who aspires to run a software business could possibly oppose guaranteed-issue health insurance. I dealt with many dramatic problems during the operation of the company I cofounded in 2005, but the only one that was almost intractable was trying to obtain private coverage for my family. Fortunately, my wife Erin got a tech job with group health coverage and we dodged the bullet until Matasano got its own group plan.

Employer-sponsored group health insurance is a terrible system. It increases costs on new businesses and adds uncertainty to their financial planning, while at the same time retarding labor mobility. It introduces a principal/agent problem between the people selecting plans and the people who use them. Because this idiotic scheme is tax-advantaged, it incentivizes the creation of a bizarre slush fund with warped, collusive prices. At the same time, because users of health care never directly pay for it, it encourages people to make dumb decisions about their own care.

People should buy their own insurance. Insurance companies should be forbidden to decline applicants, or to constructively deter them with shady pricing schemes. People should not be allowed to exploit that requirement by waiting until they get sick to apply for coverage. The requirement should be nationwide, so that states that offer sane insurance regulations don't get sabotaged sick refugees from other states without sane insurance regs.

Minus the Medicaid expansion, which I'm ambivalent about, this is what we worked out in 2010.

Re: Greg Knauss's 10-year-old son's $23,800 bug bite

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For complex reasons, I was without insurance for a couple days last week. I happened to have an appointment schedule. I went into the clinic and, since it was my first time there, I filled out a stack of paperwork. And then they told me my insurance was inactive. So I figured, whatever, I'll pay it out of pocket and file for reimbursement. I asked how much the specific service I was requesting would cost. And they ha…

I have also seen these places. Some of them will tell you the doctor has gone to lunch when you tell them you have individual insurance.

There are "direct access" clinics that can perform lots of blood tests without a doctor's help at a low cost -- $5 to $20 per panel. Fill out a form, draw a couple vials, go home and your results come in the next day.

What's frustrating is that you aren't typically told about these options, and so you end up paying five times as much out of pocket to have the doctor be your gatekeeper. So then you're tempted to say screw the doctors and use the internet to perform your own diagnoses.

It's a shame we have such an antagonistic healthcare system, and I don't see how it can get better as long as the medical industry expects to book profits at a faster rate than the growth of the population.

Re: Greg Knauss's 10-year-old son's $23,800 bug bite

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The reason is simple. Many folks, myself included, hold the view that it is government intervention that has led to the insane system currently in place. Eliminating the perverse healthcare system forced on us by current policy IS the way to control the cost issue.

Most other industrialized countries have heavy government involvement and pay half what we do with the same outcomes. We just have a hybrid system with capitalism applied in the stupidest way..

> Most other industrialized countries have heavy government involvement and pay half what we do with the same outcomes.

I lived in Canada for 10 years. I live in the US now. While living in Canada, I paid more to the government then I pay now. My health care costs for myself and my family are much cheaper. In fact, ignoring the costs of insurance (which was effectively the same) and taxes (which were 3 times higher in Canada, and on everything), my costs for equal service I receive now would have been more than $36,000 more in Canada. That's partly a lie though. The services would not have been equal, as we can get home care here, whereas in Canada, we could not.

This also ignores the 1-2 year waiting list for private care we would have had to deal with in Canada. In the US, we had treatment started within 2 weeks of moving here.

Re: Greg Knauss's 10-year-old son's $23,800 bug bite

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Even though I've been researching with interest, so far I haven't run across much in the American healthcare system that makes me question my decision (as an American) to move to Denmark. My taxes are higher, but my costs are very predictable, and by design cannot ever bankrupt me: I pay a flat 8% of my income to support the national healthcare system. I won't end up with a charge equal to 20% or 50% or 500% of my in…

8% sounds great. US currently spends around 16% of GDP on health care every year. I think the majority of Americans would support a universal health care system that provides far more coverage at half the cost. Instead our total spend is expected to double by 2020. Source: http://money.cnn.com/2011/07/28/news/economy/healthcare_spen...

Worth noting that the US leads Europe in outcomes for serious illnesses (particularly cancer), and the US provides access to specialists in days where other countries often have multi-week or even multi-month delays.

Re: Greg Knauss's 10-year-old son's $23,800 bug bite

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post #82

A young coworker had an ATV accident. It was ugly, but not so bad that they weren't on IM within days talking about work. Total bill: just shy of $100,000. A friend's son had appendicitis. Uneventful appendicitis. Total bill: neighborhood of $35,000. Add to this: tens of millions of people are, despite any debilitating medical conditions or even better-than-even likelihood of incurring anomalous medical expenses at a…

One solution (which obviously won't for everybody): live in Massachusetts. We have excellent health insurance plans available here: https://www.mahealthconnector.org/ I'm using one now.

Re: Greg Knauss's 10-year-old son's $23,800 bug bite

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Having experienced emergency care in both Denmark and the U.S., this is also the main reason I won't relocate to the U.S. until this is sorted out. I had what was thought to be a broken ankle in Denmark thanks to icy conditions and I was so well looked after, and charged nothing, I was awe inspired and wish there had been some way to pay it back. I sliced a finger in the U.S. and was made to feel like a statistic, wi…

Having experienced emergency care in both Denmark and the U.S., this is also the main reason I won't relocate to the U.S. until this is sorted out. LOL. Go to the emergency room now in the US, with a real emergency, wait for hours. After this is sorted? Wait for days, maybe? Our health system is completely broken in every way, and building up more bureaucracy is just going to make it worse. I am counting on hospital…

Exactly what part of an emergency room visit is going to change in 2014, when PPACA is fully implemented? Please be as specific as you can, while limiting the detail you provide to the "amount of time taken to see someone at an emergency room" example you've used in this comment.

Re: Greg Knauss's 10-year-old son's $23,800 bug bite

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It's not fair, and not right, but it is a fact that for the most part, most of us here don't have to worry about that. If you're a software engineer or systems administrator or similar type of professional earning a fair living it's not at all uncommon to have completely free health insurance for yourself, and affordable options to cover your family. I haven't worked for a place with an individual premium in 5 years.…

I agree, and I feel it used to work even better in that respect, when educated Americans typically had lifetime employment. I would guess that's one reason the debate is growing louder lately. The West basically solved the healthcare problem via collective coverage, but in different ways: the European countries did it nationwide, but the US did it with employer group plans. That was almost equivalent, for people with…

It's not hard to get insurance for a 10 person company, but it is expensive.

Re: Greg Knauss's 10-year-old son's $23,800 bug bite

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The (big) problem isn't really that there are people who may or may not have insurance to protect them from 24 kilobuck bug bites, its that we've let so much friction build up in our system that it has come to cost this much to treat even simple maladies.

We're so busy worrying about who should pay what we don't ask the big one: why the hell does it cost so much in the first place?

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