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To be fair, everyone's account was that age at one time. I'd prefer we all engage with their words.
I’ll engage with you in good faith. The new account hasn’t earned that trust yet.
The United States withdraws from UNESCO
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There are other genocides happening in Myanmar and Sudan that nobody talks about. And as far as US, you had a distinct movement that was against Kamala specifically because she was pro Israel. I really don't understand the obsession with this particular conflict to the point where you feel like you are in the moral right by essentially punishing US people and making it worse for the people you care about (in terms of…
>There are other genocides happening in Myanmar and Sudan that nobody talks about. Sounds a lot like whataboutism. I heard a lot of that term going around whenever anyone dared mention any non-mainstream talking point about the Russian invasion of Ukraine, but funnily enough, no one seems to talk about now.
Lol its not whataboutism. You can't do this thing where you just throw in fallacies at something randomly do discredit.
Whataboutism is when you justify the wrongdoing of X by pointing out that Y is also wrong and nothing is being done about it.
Im simply pointing out that if your outrage about Palestine is genocide, then you should be outraged about the other genocides. You can either agree, or you can further narrow down your position on why specifically Palestine conflict is the one you chose to place your outrage on, and not others.
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There are other genocides happening in Myanmar and Sudan that nobody talks about. And as far as US, you had a distinct movement that was against Kamala specifically because she was pro Israel. I really don't understand the obsession with this particular conflict to the point where you feel like you are in the moral right by essentially punishing US people and making it worse for the people you care about (in terms of…
You don’t get why people would be upset that their politicians are green lighting a genocide? The Americans have blood on their hands when it comes to Gaza and the same cannot be said about other conflicts.
In voting, you had 3 choices, vote Dem, vote Rep, or abstain.
When it comes to Palestine, you had 2 choices, vote Dem, which is arguably the better choice as Dems overall are more humanitarian minded, or the other 2, which both increase chances of Trump winning, which is way worse for Palestine.
I don't get what mental gymnastics one has to do to find that abstaining is the morally justified position. Its not like if enough people abstain, nobody becomes president.
>The Americans have blood on their hands when it comes to Gaza and the same cannot be said about other conflicts.
Uh.....lol?
The other big thing is that I dunno how one can support people that actively murder people for being gay, but thats just me.
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> It’s far from perfect, but in general it does a pretty good job. The current state of the world would definitely beg to differ
Prior to the creation of the UN we had 2 world wars in 25 years.
And post the creation of the UN we have still had hundreds of wars (conveniently termed "armed conflicts") resulting in uncountable deaths.
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That's no longer true, nor should it be: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/04/08/how-ameri... From the article: >The public’s views of Israel have turned more negative over the past three years. More than half of U.S. adults (53%) now express an unfavorable opinion of Israel, up from 42% in March 2022 It turns out when you invade a country and commit a genocide, you become less popular. Putin figured that…
> It turns out when you invade a country and commit a genocide, you become less popular. Well, Israel's been committing a genocide for, conservatively, nearly 60 years, so, yeah, its probably a suprise to them that after that long of not having an adverse effect on US public support, that has changed.
Ah yes, the genocide where the people being genocided continue to outpace the population growth of the nation doing the genocide. The ethnic cleansing where the only time it happens is to remove Jews from an area. The apartheid where the “subjugated” sit on the Supreme Court, have 10+ seats in parliament (which matches voting demographics), were recently part of the majority, and share all the same rights as their supposed oppressors.
The same state which is right now defending another people from an actual genocide being carried out by self proclaimed jehadis in Syria, and the Druze are now begging to be annexed by Israel.
Literally anyone who makes any claims of genocide or ethnic cleansing or most hysterically, “apartheid” outs themselves as a complete ignoramus of the region, history and reality and is openly declaring their bigotry.
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This must be the UN headquarters. Flags everywhere.
For whatever reason, the Palestine/Israel conflict causes people to just stop being rational. Like, the facts are there, both parties attack each other as part of the conflict throughout history, but for whatever reason, people really want to pick sides on this one, and Im not sure why. Its not the genocide aspect - there are other genocides that are happening (Myanmar for example) that don't cause this reaction. Don…
> there are other genocides that are happening (Myanmar for example) that don't cause this reaction
Because the biggest world superpower that claims to be all about "freedom" is the sponsor of this one, not a rogue, sanctioned state somewhere
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For whatever reason, the Palestine/Israel conflict causes people to just stop being rational. Like, the facts are there, both parties attack each other as part of the conflict throughout history, but for whatever reason, people really want to pick sides on this one, and Im not sure why. Its not the genocide aspect - there are other genocides that are happening (Myanmar for example) that don't cause this reaction. Don…
Nobody has been able to explain to me how the Israel/Palestine issue is fundamentally different from the Serbia/Bosnia/Kosovo issue of the 1990s. Its weird the mental gymnastics people will go through to qualify any position in either of these events.
The major difference is Israel is one of the only modern states that cannot and will not extend citizenship and property rights to the majority of people under their control who existed there when the nation was founded because it would upend the ethnic makeup of the country. They will also not allow the creation of a state for those people, forcing them to be stateless.
None of that applies in Serbia / Bosnia / Kosovo, as far as I can tell. That is more like a separatist movement situation like what you see in Kurdistan, Kashmir, etc.
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UNICEF’s mission is “providing humanitarian and developmental aid to children worldwide” Children in gaza are being intentionally starved by israel blocking food aid. At least 15 people including one infant have been starved to death in the past 24 hours. UNESCO’s mission is preservation of cultural heritage. Gaza and the west bank are being ethnically cleansed, and their arts and culture have already been physically…
Absolutely, children in Gaza, just like in many other war-torn places need help. The problem is that UNICEF doesn't just provide help. It feels entitled to come up with resolutions that put the blame on one of the parties in the conflict. They aren't military experts. They don't honestly know how the situation came to be the way it is... they shouldn't be talking about it. Because, what happens is that while they are…
> this is propaganda. There's no way to substantiate this claim.
1. Israel blocks aid agencies besides their own from accessing gaza. This is undisputed fact.
2. All evidence from doctors and reporters on the ground suggests that people are starving. Videos of people rioting over food, also pretty solid evidence people are starving.
3. While it is possible “hamas” is stealing food and not sharing - this is a problem easily solved by allowing in more fucking food.
4. If israel actually wanted to kneecap hamas inside gaza flooding it with food would be what they would do. Food has very little value when it’s abundant.
You seem happy to let people starve to death while we wait and see if it’s “true” or not. Disgusting if it’s true, and also disgusting if it turns out to not be true.
So where is the propaganda?
> It feels entitled to come up with resolutions that put the blame on one of the parties in the conflict
Sorry, UNICEF? Citation needed. All i see is them saying violence in gaza is putting children at risk, and there should be a ceasefire. Do you believe that’s blaming someone?
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Multiple things can be true at the same time. US military / political support for Israel is multifaceted. But I’d argue trumps use of Israel as a reason to punish academia or withdraw from unesco is not.
So the only use of Israel to us is as an untrustworthy ally and a cudgel to bludgeon our own citizens with. Great. Love that
That’s most obviously not true but whatever. Not even sure why you’re hating on Israel when the point at hand is it’s just one of many rhetorical tools that this admin uses disingenuously.
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If you don't believe Gaza's health ministry, how about Agence France-Presse? The journalists' association of the French wire service Agence France-Presse (AFP) warned on Monday that staff working with the agency in Gaza are at risk of starvation and that "without intervention, the last reporters in Gaza will die." In the statement, the SDJ said that AFP's journalists in Gaza have warned that they no longer have stren…
I fully believe that Gazans are starving, I just don't think it's Israel's fault. Hamas is stealing and withholding food, and other resources.
> Hamas is stealing and withholding food, and other resources.
And this, blocking all food from the enclave will surely make the value of Hamas' stolen food worthless, right?
Wouldn't the smart decision for Israel be to flood Gaza with food aid, till any stolen supplies were worthless?