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Driverless cars promise to reduce accidents, revolutionise transport

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Re: Driverless cars promise to reduce accidents, revolutionise transport

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post #25

They can also cut our balls once and for all and put us out of our misery. So much is spent pursuing "safety" and squeezing that extra minute of "productivity" that everyone is forgetting to live their lives as human beings.

What's so special about driving? It's a task that has only been available to humans for a century.

And look where we are now compared to every single century...

Re: Driverless cars promise to reduce accidents, revolutionise transport

#32
post #4

The article outlines some (current) limitations in the car's judgement when evaluating the dangerosity of an object ahead. If/when this becomes mainstream, how long until pranksters and terrorists find ways to leverage limitations and cause accidents?

Is causing accidents in self-driving cars going to be any more a target than causing accidents in human-driven cars? Seems you could already wreak a lot of havoc with rush-hour traffic if you really wanted to. Blinding/distracting drivers, obstacles, maybe little bombs?

Driverless trucks with no passengers will totally be targets for vandalism and theft.

Re: Driverless cars promise to reduce accidents, revolutionise transport

#33

They can also cut our balls once and for all and put us out of our misery. So much is spent pursuing "safety" and squeezing that extra minute of "productivity" that everyone is forgetting to live their lives as human beings.

I don't see the connection between driving and "living my life as a human being", or the connection between riding in an automated vehicle and "having my balls cut". Human identity has nothing to do with driving. I can't wait until I don't have to do it anymore.

By not knowing how to drive something, you are losing an important ability. Your reach will be 3 or 4 miles at most, and over time this passive "I just want to [_____], do it for me" mentality sets in.

And for what? just not to drive? to have more 20min available to check your Twitter stream?

Remember, you are choosing to be ignorant in a very important aspect of modern live, and i guess only those who at some point were deprived of it realize their importance.

Re: Driverless cars promise to reduce accidents, revolutionise transport

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With driverless cars, the largest expense of taxis - the driver - disappears. The driver of a taxi needs to make enough in a day to cover the periods when there are no fares, or travel from a low fare-density area back to the high fare-density areas (and in some regions with ridiculously constrained supply of taxis via "badges" or other such anti-competitive pro-monopoly legislation, to pay the ridiculous fee to just…

I'm fully convinced self-driving cars will be sold commercially within the next 10 years. However, it is going to be a very long time until they are allowed on the road sans human (even if they are self-driven 99% of the time, I'm positive legislation will require a human behind the wheel at all times and car makers will have to attempt to enforce this technically), which puts a serious dent in your taxi plan.

You're right long term, but self-driving cars that are allowed to drive without any human behind the wheel is more like a 50 years out thing, IMO. Part of this is just cultural and political, and part of it is due to real technical challenges (there are still going to be extraordinary driving situations in which the obvious thing to do would be clear to any reasonable human but not an autonomous car without serious general purpose AI).

Re: Driverless cars promise to reduce accidents, revolutionise transport

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With driverless cars, the largest expense of taxis - the driver - disappears. The driver of a taxi needs to make enough in a day to cover the periods when there are no fares, or travel from a low fare-density area back to the high fare-density areas (and in some regions with ridiculously constrained supply of taxis via "badges" or other such anti-competitive pro-monopoly legislation, to pay the ridiculous fee to just…

I'm fully convinced self-driving cars will be sold commercially within the next 10 years. However, it is going to be a very long time until they are allowed on the road sans human (even if they are self-driven 99% of the time, I'm positive legislation will require a human behind the wheel at all times and car makers will have to attempt to enforce this technically), which puts a serious dent in your taxi plan. You're…

"there are still going to be extraordinary driving situations in which the obvious thing to do would be clear to any reasonable human but not an autonomous car without serious general purpose AI"

I believe that any such situation that could not be dealt with by simply coming to a safe halt is currently very badly handled by humans. I believe that they could be better handled with the _current_ state of the art, let alone advances we see over the next few decades.

I'm not arguing that they could be perfectly handled; just that the machines can do better than the average meat-bag.

Re: Driverless cars promise to reduce accidents, revolutionise transport

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's so special about driving? It's a task that has only been available to humans for a century.

And look where we are now compared to every single century...

We've made large leaps in the last century, but I think deodorant is a bigger factor than motor vehicles. It came to prominence around the same time we started making big progress. Coincidence? I think not.

Re: Driverless cars promise to reduce accidents, revolutionise transport

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm fully convinced self-driving cars will be sold commercially within the next 10 years. However, it is going to be a very long time until they are allowed on the road sans human (even if they are self-driven 99% of the time, I'm positive legislation will require a human behind the wheel at all times and car makers will have to attempt to enforce this technically), which puts a serious dent in your taxi plan. You're…

"there are still going to be extraordinary driving situations in which the obvious thing to do would be clear to any reasonable human but not an autonomous car without serious general purpose AI" I believe that any such situation that could not be dealt with by simply coming to a safe halt is currently very badly handled by humans. I believe that they could be better handled with the _current_ state of the art, let a…

Even simply coming to a safe halt is problematic. What if some troll traps a self-driving car with a few empty cardboard boxes?

Re: Driverless cars promise to reduce accidents, revolutionise transport

#38

They can also cut our balls once and for all and put us out of our misery. So much is spent pursuing "safety" and squeezing that extra minute of "productivity" that everyone is forgetting to live their lives as human beings.

Real men ride horses, everyone knows that!

Re: Driverless cars promise to reduce accidents, revolutionise transport

#39
post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And look where we are now compared to every single century...

We've made large leaps in the last century, but I think deodorant is a bigger factor than motor vehicles. It came to prominence around the same time we started making big progress. Coincidence? I think not.

Sure, especially when all the ingredients composing a deodorant can are extracted, synthesized and produced by magical gnomes that ship their product directly to you using highly efficient automated unicorns receiving 5 bars of 4G pretty much everywhere in the world.

That's horn antenna technology at work.

Re: Driverless cars promise to reduce accidents, revolutionise transport

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's so special about driving? It's a task that has only been available to humans for a century.

And look where we are now compared to every single century...

Industrialization made cars finally feasible, not the other way around. It takes cleverness and tinkering to maintain a car (less so when new), but operating it is not a human-level task; I'm pretty sure a monkey could be trained to do it.
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