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The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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…says the Hamas-run health ministry . Nothing to see here, no conflicts of interest. Let’s trust the people who kidnapped babies and raped and pillaged their way across southern israel.

Genocide denial is a bad look.

If I accuse you of committing a genocide, you have no way of defending yourself if you in fact are not doing it?

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It's different perspectives, I've come to learn. The people I know who support this regime do so because they feel completely left out (they're low income so I'm not sure that applies to software developers). When there's nothing for you why wouldn't you want to just burn it all down? Then you can build a more "fair" system. Please note that I do not agree with literally anything current admin does, this is just the…

> When there's nothing for you why wouldn't you want to just burn it all down? Then you can build a more "fair" system. Notably, the people who lived under legal oppression for centuries in this country did not take this approach. Instead, they worked inside the system and were able to affect change. The "burn it down" side ended up having its cities literally burned down.

I think most oppression got ended by burning down. I am not aware of too many movements that successfully changed things from the inside.

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If everyone is starving, good luck finding someone who values a motorcycle more than food.

The obesity rate in Gaza is among the largest in the world. Let's stop pretending everyone is starving.

Obesity is pretty high in the US, that doesn't make camp Bayou-Belsen in Florida right.

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> This is basically just criticizing Israel for having the means. No, it’s criticizing israel for the will, the means, and the action of murdering tens of thousands and starving millions. > Hamas, who run Gaza, want to "Globalize the Intifada" and bring violence to Jews worldwide This is one interpretation of that phrase. Intifada means roughly “shaking off”. A call for international support for shaking off the oppre…

> This is one interpretation of that phrase. And I could always say "the final solution" is referring to my math homework. In the context of the Palestinian occupation, intifada ALWAYS is meant as violent. There is no other interpretation. Pretending that it doesn't is both bad faith and classic taqiyya.

taqiyya is a new word to me. I can’t help but feel it’s being used as a bit of a slur here - not sure, but just in case i’ll point out that there are examples of basically every religious group hiding their faith when threatened. Jews during the holocaust and in inquisition spain, and catholics in elizabethan england, are historic examples i’m familiar with.

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"In 2011, the United States stopped funding Unesco because of what was then a forgotten, 15-year-old amendment mandating a complete cutoff of American financing to any United Nations agency that accepts Palestine as a full member. Various efforts by President Barack Obama to overturn the legal restriction narrowly failed in Congress, and the United States lost its vote at the organization after two years of nonpaymen…

> 15-year-old amendment mandating a complete cutoff of American financing to any United Nations agency that accepts Palestine as a full member As a non-American, doesn't this seem a little ridiculous to some people in the US? This screams of a kind of melodramatic, overdone theatrics that the US doesn't seem to do to anyone else. I get that the US has a lot of Israeli money/investments/customers and extremely religio…

Not really. It's just the way it works here. If it's enshrined in law, it makes it harder for one person or small group to make a unilateral decision, similar to how things are happening here now.

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Sweden and the US are “kinda cozy” (I would say at least, from an inside perspective on how Sweden seems to lean in to US interests including copyright enforcements and so forth). However Sweden was the first country to recognise Palestine. Is it possible that the pulling out of UNESCO is further in-line with Trumps “we want to focus on America” fluff, similar to the threats of pulling out of NATO and the actual pull…

Some US interference? Like funding the genocide? Pretty much all atrocities in the middle east can be traced back Europeans (mainly UK) carving up the area after ww1 and theirs and American imperialism since ww2. Israel is a project of this.

So you want Israel to cease to exist? Germany did the Holocaust, nobody said Germany can't exist. Russia attacks Ukraine in an emperialistic power move, no one suggest Russia shouldn't exist.

But Israel is a "project" that needs to end. More like a scape goat.

I'm israeli. This war is bad, my government is evil. But I deserve to have a nation to call home, so do the Palestinians.

If you disagree with me, think about it a bit and what it says about you.

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I really hope the next president will be able to undo this fucking mess... otherwise the US is probably never going to catch back up to what it used to be. Voters made a terrible mistake.

There is exactly zero chance that the US can go back to what it was as a result of a single election. Structural change is needed, which is unlikely to happen, and the depth of the destruction of the machine of government cannot be rebuilt in less than a decade, and that's just the foundation upon which reputation is then built.

Just to let you know, an argument can be made that this was exactly the intent.

All stable democracies derive a goodwill by honoring certain values even if a previous political party made them.

This is intentionally being thrown out of the window for what the other side perceives to be something done to them (arresting Trump, assassination attempts). Which the first side can justify on the grounds of what was done to them (Jan 6th), which is the other side can justify on the grounds of what was done to them (2020 election issues) and so on.

Any attempts to look for the "source" of the problem (i.e figuring out who started it) is choosing a side and not trying to solve the problem.

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They replied at all, which is frankly more than genocide denial merits.

When someone shows actual evidence, then maybe you can make the claim. Hamas spokespeople aren't credible and aren't evidence.

LOOK AT THE BODIES OF THE EMACIATED CHILDREN THAT FUCKING STARVED TO DEATH

THEY LOOK LIKE THE JEWISH CHILDREN IN WWII

WHAT THE F

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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"In 2011, the United States stopped funding Unesco because of what was then a forgotten, 15-year-old amendment mandating a complete cutoff of American financing to any United Nations agency that accepts Palestine as a full member. Various efforts by President Barack Obama to overturn the legal restriction narrowly failed in Congress, and the United States lost its vote at the organization after two years of nonpaymen…

> 15-year-old amendment mandating a complete cutoff of American financing to any United Nations agency that accepts Palestine as a full member As a non-American, doesn't this seem a little ridiculous to some people in the US? This screams of a kind of melodramatic, overdone theatrics that the US doesn't seem to do to anyone else. I get that the US has a lot of Israeli money/investments/customers and extremely religio…

Not really? The US does its diplomacy substantially by shuffling money around. Writing a conditional into law is how a legislative body expresses a formal commitment. That's business as usual.

The continued existence of these particular laws in 2011 was, in any case, more a convenient excuse to do something they didn't not want to do anyway, than something that couldn't be changed if political will went the other way. It's just a bit stronger of a commitment than the sitting president's whim, which is also a thing that happens.

Perhaps the disconnect is that the US actively engages in foreign policy at all?

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"woke" deployed as a noun really rankles me. But then, I guess that's the point eh - own those snowflakes, nothing matters, lol.

"woke, divisive cultural and social causes" is using it as an adjective. Causes is the noun.

The Right commonly uses wokeness as a noun.
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