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The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by dayvid »

Loughla wrote: post #162
mathgeek wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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It's different perspectives, I've come to learn. The people I know who support this regime do so because they feel completely left out (they're low income so I'm not sure that applies to software developers). When there's nothing for you why wouldn't you want to just burn it all down? Then you can build a more "fair" system. Please note that I do not agree with literally anything current admin does, this is just the…

People think things can be better, but don't realize things can be easily worst. They'll be the last to feel the impact

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by azinman2 »

alistairSH wrote: post #236
aprilthird2021 wrote: post #94

> UNESCO’s decision to admit the “State of Palestine” as a Member State is highly problematic, contrary to U.S. policy, and contributed to the proliferation of anti-Israel rhetoric within the organization. I asked this when the administration decided to attack funding for research at Harvard University over wild claims, and I ask again, why are we willing to shoot ourselves in the knees for Israel?

Very roughly... The Bible foretells the return of the Jewish people to the land of Israel and the subsequent rebuilding of the Temple in Jerusalem as a precursor to the end times. IE, without Israel, Christians don't get to go to heaven.

That’s just the excuse for a certain segment of the fundamentalists. Trump doesn’t give a shit about Israel. It’s about attacking all institutions that aren’t aligned with him.

You think if Harvard went “America first,” he’d be trying to shut them down?

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Post by ethbr1 »

tehjoker wrote: post #244
glitchc wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The online space (Reddit, HN, others) is so deeply embedded with groupthink that people have lost the ability to see other points of view or debate topics of interest. To me it's very clear why the government is leaving UNESCO (and over time the UN at large). The UN is dysfunctional and does not work. It used to be a source of soft power for the States, but hasn't been so for the better part of this century. Meanwhil…

The UN is dysfunctional because the US blocks every good thing it tries to do like the abomination of the security council vetoing resolutions to stop the US backed genocide in Gaza.

It’s a bit incomplete to bring up Security Council vetoing without mentioning Russia (currently at war with a sovereign nation) and China (intent on war with a sovereign nation).

The UNSC isn’t an arbitrator of good, but an alignment of hard UN outcomes with the first countries to have nukes (and therefore the ability to force the issue militarily if they disagreed with the UN).

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Post by nomdep »

ChrisArchitect wrote: post #47

What year is it, 2017? https://2017-2021.state.gov/the-united-states-withdraws-from... Boring, been here before. UNESCO and world moved on. With some notable declarations like Demoscene and Techno music being added in a number of countries. Too bad those couldn't be added to a US registry also.

Or maybe, 2011?

https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2011/11/1/us-halts-unesco...

(Yes, Obama did it first)

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Post by Tadpole9181 »

rtkwe wrote: post #43
netsharc wrote: post #35

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Why fantasize that the GOP isn't going to do a Putin/Erdogan/Suharto? Those countries have "democratic" elections and keep electing the same president, they must be hella great guys!

There are clearly pockets that want to but I'm not sure there's enough support in important areas to actually have a coup like that succeed. Kind of have to wait and see how things develop.

They attempted to violently overthrow the US government by taking over Congress in 2021 and went so far as constructing a noose to hang their own vice president.

They suffered absolutely zero consequences for this and the perpetrators have now been pardoned with no political backlash.

Why exactly wouldn't they do this? Now that the SCOTUS says they're even immune from prosecution, you'd have to be an idiot not to try.

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Post by glitchc »

tehjoker wrote: post #244
glitchc wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The online space (Reddit, HN, others) is so deeply embedded with groupthink that people have lost the ability to see other points of view or debate topics of interest. To me it's very clear why the government is leaving UNESCO (and over time the UN at large). The UN is dysfunctional and does not work. It used to be a source of soft power for the States, but hasn't been so for the better part of this century. Meanwhil…

The UN is dysfunctional because the US blocks every good thing it tries to do like the abomination of the security council vetoing resolutions to stop the US backed genocide in Gaza.

Here's a list of vetoes at the UN Security Council: https://research.un.org/en/docs/sc/quick

All parties seem to be exercising their right, the US does not have a monopoly on it.

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Post by layer8 »

crabbone wrote: post #249

This is in response to the flagged comment that, apparently, I cannot comment on. I'm not thrilled about what current US administration is doing when it comes to international NGOs. UNESCO is one example. However, there's also another problem: various UN bodies became tools for international politics instead of doing what they were originally designed to do. It's another example of good will easily subverted by malic…

> My layman understanding of the reason for UNESCO existence is the preservation of cultural heritage. This shouldn't be political.

It is political when cultures are being eradicated. Tibet is one of several examples.

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Post by JTbane »

spacebanana7 wrote: post #157
lvl155 wrote: post #40

And it’s wild to think that more than 1/3 of the devs I’ve met in my life support this admin. These are seemingly smart people. The past 10 years or so made me realize I don’t know anything about human nature or intellect. Edit: I am in no way saying conservatism is bad and liberalism is good. I have my values in both.

Steelman their position. Try finding reasons good people would vote for Trump, or at least sincere mistakes of reasoning that a good person could make.

I'll give them a steelman: They thought Trump would reduce their taxes (he hasn't, by and large). They thought Trump would cut government waste (he did the opposite). They thought Trump's tough-guy persona would convince foreign countries to fall in line (it hasn't, they have shunned the USA).
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