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The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Nobody hates god's children quite like the religious right in the US.

"Love the fetus, hate the mother and child"

Recently I saw a vehicle with a "you are loved" sticker on it, jesus fish, and then a whole series of stickers that describe when they would like to commit violent acts against the reader if they did or said things the owner doesn't like. It really seemed to fit the atmosphere around those folks these days.

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And it’s wild to think that more than 1/3 of the devs I’ve met in my life support this admin. These are seemingly smart people. The past 10 years or so made me realize I don’t know anything about human nature or intellect. Edit: I am in no way saying conservatism is bad and liberalism is good. I have my values in both.

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Intelligent people also have come to realize that our government is essentially one performative instance after another and see a "uniparty" of legislatures (Congress) who have optimized for local maxima (getting reelected) and not global maxima (constituents well being). Some of them see this administration as a way (and perhaps the only way) of disrupting that inertia, just like they agree with how startup's disrupt existing markets (see Paul Graham's "you should be a little mischievous"). So, to me, it's not a huge surprise many of them voted for this admin.

For the record - I think those same intelligent people overlook the externalities (a personal military for the executive branch) of such a disruptive administration, or irrationality disbelieved it would ever happen.

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“The U.S. began defunding UNESCO under Obama after it admitted Palestine as a full member—and then withdrew entirely during Trump’s first term.” — [ New York Times ]( https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/22/world/europe/us-withdraw-... ) This isn’t just a blip, but part of a long-term downward trajectory in U.S. and UNESCO relations.

What is with you people forgetting that Trump was president in 2018 and not Obama. Why are you attributing Trumps actions to Obama. Stop it. Your comment is wholly dishonest. Obama did not want to leave UNESCO. Period. Full stop.

"The U.S. began defunding UNESCO under Obama..." what part about this is wrong?

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> UNESCO’s decision to admit the “State of Palestine” as a Member State is highly problematic, contrary to U.S. policy, and contributed to the proliferation of anti-Israel rhetoric within the organization. I asked this when the administration decided to attack funding for research at Harvard University over wild claims, and I ask again, why are we willing to shoot ourselves in the knees for Israel?

Because it’s not actually about Israel.

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And it’s wild to think that more than 1/3 of the devs I’ve met in my life support this admin. These are seemingly smart people. The past 10 years or so made me realize I don’t know anything about human nature or intellect. Edit: I am in no way saying conservatism is bad and liberalism is good. I have my values in both.

They have a worldview that is so different it is effectively an alternate reality. This mostly comes from seeing different information streams or being in different social circles.

The same could be said of any worldview. So tell me—what part of UNESCO’s decision to admit the “State of Palestine” as a Member State strikes you as objectively righteous?

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And it’s wild to think that more than 1/3 of the devs I’ve met in my life support this admin. These are seemingly smart people. The past 10 years or so made me realize I don’t know anything about human nature or intellect. Edit: I am in no way saying conservatism is bad and liberalism is good. I have my values in both.

Do they support some policies or everything that this administration proposes?

In my experience I have seldom seen people who believe 100% in whatever party/government does. Most of the time it's a few topics that matter - be it immigration, or less taxes, or whatever. However, they are not gonna protest for leaving UNESCO. They might find it stupid, but probably they find topic XYZ more important. So they suck it up and move on.

Then there are the believers - everything the administration does is great. But I like to believe and think they are a minority.

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It is one of the most 10 upvoted topics on the main page. People seem to want to see it here and comment about it. Personally I am happy to see it discussed here. I have seen interesting comments tempering and contextualizing the headline that I appreciate. There are still a vast majority of articles on other topics. Those ones are easy to ignore if they bother someone.

Yes, politics always drives clicks. That is not OPs point though.

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I really hope the next president will be able to undo this fucking mess... otherwise the US is probably never going to catch back up to what it used to be. Voters made a terrible mistake.

Frankly, the damage done by Trump and MAGA is generational damage that will take generations to fix. BUT... not everything wrong with this country is down to them. And while I don't agree with the MAGA version of what it means to "make America Great Again", I do agree that a lot of things in this country have been on a downward slope for decades. We have deep structural and cultural issues that date back a VERY long…

Trump is a symptom of deeper issues.
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