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The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by watwut »

spacebanana7 wrote: post #157
lvl155 wrote: post #40

And it’s wild to think that more than 1/3 of the devs I’ve met in my life support this admin. These are seemingly smart people. The past 10 years or so made me realize I don’t know anything about human nature or intellect. Edit: I am in no way saying conservatism is bad and liberalism is good. I have my values in both.

Steelman their position. Try finding reasons good people would vote for Trump, or at least sincere mistakes of reasoning that a good person could make.

They were steelmanned for years and that is how theu got powerful. Maybe we should stop to do it and start to interpret their words accurately.

Sometime, cruelty is the point and there is only delusion in trying to project "good reasons". It is loosing strategy.

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Post by tgv »

snapetom wrote: post #31

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Their goal is not to enforce laws. It's to provide a regular space for nations to talk. It's diplomacy, which some see --not without reason-- as a particular kind of hypocrisy, but in a world-wide context.

Under the UN, there are organizations that do international work, governed by an international alliance. These do work that otherwise would be fragmented. That's not impotent.

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Post by hersko »

nerdjon wrote: post #219
aprilthird2021 wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have to sign a document saying you won't boycott Israel, academic journals cancel editions which talk about Palestine, you can't be part of UNESCO for Israel. You can't write a college article critical of Israel or we'll kidnap you off the streets into an unmarked van. You can't be a business and not give a contract to Israel or your employee will tip off the Anti Boycott Office against you. Your Congressmen wear…

The thing about this that bothers me the most (ok maybe not the most... but its troubling), we have gotten to a point that we are more free to criticize our own government than a foreign government (unless it is about this topic). Like, how that ever became OK is insane to me.

Well this is obviously not true so i wouldn't worry about it too much....

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by wiz21c »

throw7 wrote: post #89

This seems to be a political back and forth (beginning with the admittance of palestine in the past)... (from wikipedia) U.S. (and Israel) left UNESCO in 2018, but the United States rejoined in 2023. I presume U.S. has left again now in 2025. [edit: kind of surprised this hasn't been flagged, but sadly indicative of HN's bias.]

Israel left Unesco ? How cynical is Netanyahu...

https://www.unesco.org/en/articles/decade-action-against-ant...

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Post by alistairSH »

aprilthird2021 wrote: post #94

> UNESCO’s decision to admit the “State of Palestine” as a Member State is highly problematic, contrary to U.S. policy, and contributed to the proliferation of anti-Israel rhetoric within the organization. I asked this when the administration decided to attack funding for research at Harvard University over wild claims, and I ask again, why are we willing to shoot ourselves in the knees for Israel?

Very roughly...

The Bible foretells the return of the Jewish people to the land of Israel and the subsequent rebuilding of the Temple in Jerusalem as a precursor to the end times. IE, without Israel, Christians don't get to go to heaven.

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Post by nerdjon »

jzb wrote: post #159
duxup wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody hates god's children quite like the religious right in the US.

"Love the fetus, hate the mother and child"

I can't find the exact saying now, but my favorite are the ones that are basically...

"Will fight for your rights until your born and then just completely abandon you" (not the exact phrasing I remember seeing)

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Post by ruffrey »

lvl155 wrote: post #40

And it’s wild to think that more than 1/3 of the devs I’ve met in my life support this admin. These are seemingly smart people. The past 10 years or so made me realize I don’t know anything about human nature or intellect. Edit: I am in no way saying conservatism is bad and liberalism is good. I have my values in both.

I've been toying with the following attempt to explain all this:

- Information bubbles (this is the top issue, and it's really incredibly persuasive)

- Geographic location and social environment

- Lack of time to deeply evaluate truth vs noise and consider multiple sides of an issue

- Conviction of values - how much does a person believe their values are tied to the political view (leads to subtly drawing emotional conclusions and implicitly trusting a political party)

- Belief that due to one's own intelligence, one is not subject to propaganda (a clearly false belief that many smart people fall into)

Deep emotional awareness is not as strongly related to intelligence as people think.

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