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The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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You’ve bought into a completely wrong take here. This is not at all what happened. The media kowtows to Trump and the GOP at every opportunity, and has helped create this nonsense CW you are parroting. Twitter is overrun with bots and full-on racism and Nazism and you’re saying Dems bowed to that? You have been fooled.

He meant the "formerly twitter crowd". In my interpretation, he means the outspoken social justice crowd that was trying to institute a McCarthy-esque purge of all that is racially/socially offensive.

Both your point and his can be correct

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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And it’s wild to think that more than 1/3 of the devs I’ve met in my life support this admin. These are seemingly smart people. The past 10 years or so made me realize I don’t know anything about human nature or intellect. Edit: I am in no way saying conservatism is bad and liberalism is good. I have my values in both.

The online space (Reddit, HN, others) is so deeply embedded with groupthink that people have lost the ability to see other points of view or debate topics of interest. To me it's very clear why the government is leaving UNESCO (and over time the UN at large). The UN is dysfunctional and does not work. It used to be a source of soft power for the States, but hasn't been so for the better part of this century. Meanwhil…

They should put that UN money where it belongs, the MIC and more bombs for Israel, and why not add more the deficit. This isn't even a joke, its just what they're doing.

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Guess someone doesn't like you posting excerpts from a WSJ article.

All the quotes I included are factual, and help explain the OP. Yet they're being downvoted. It's a shame HN operates like this. Some people's narratives are so fragile the only way they can survive is to silence all other narratives.

It’s an opinion piece…

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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> America First > anti-Israel American Government became the parody of itself, so sad

You have to sign a document saying you won't boycott Israel, academic journals cancel editions which talk about Palestine, you can't be part of UNESCO for Israel. You can't write a college article critical of Israel or we'll kidnap you off the streets into an unmarked van. You can't be a business and not give a contract to Israel or your employee will tip off the Anti Boycott Office against you. Your Congressmen wear…

> We aren't Israeli citizens. Why are we treated like we are?

shower thought, maybe you aren't, if we look at history, the closest analogy is:

you are the equivalent of 'natives' in the colonial era where the vassal states population have all the obligations (and more) and none of the rights and need to jump through hoops to show allegiance and maybe gain it at the individual level as a reward in the end.

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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And it’s wild to think that more than 1/3 of the devs I’ve met in my life support this admin. These are seemingly smart people. The past 10 years or so made me realize I don’t know anything about human nature or intellect. Edit: I am in no way saying conservatism is bad and liberalism is good. I have my values in both.

The online space (Reddit, HN, others) is so deeply embedded with groupthink that people have lost the ability to see other points of view or debate topics of interest. To me it's very clear why the government is leaving UNESCO (and over time the UN at large). The UN is dysfunctional and does not work. It used to be a source of soft power for the States, but hasn't been so for the better part of this century. Meanwhil…

You say “the UN doesn’t work” apparently because “working” means it being a source of soft power for the US.

It had several remits, but its most important is probably the one to prevent a world war. It’s designed specifically as a talking shop to help countries find other ways of resolving disputes than kill people - and promote international understanding . It’s far from perfect, but in general it does a pretty good job.

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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And it’s wild to think that more than 1/3 of the devs I’ve met in my life support this admin. These are seemingly smart people. The past 10 years or so made me realize I don’t know anything about human nature or intellect. Edit: I am in no way saying conservatism is bad and liberalism is good. I have my values in both.

I've seen the same thing. What I've seen is most of those folks that supported them during the campaign are now pretty quiet. During the campaign it was "cool" to support Trump and the republicans but now that the dude's in office, most are seeing that campaigns are very different from the administrations. Looking back I blame the Democrats for running horrible candidates and the gaslighting that their candidates wer…

The Democrats have a structural problem.

The party is defined as being composed of the people who are already elected. So the priority of the Democratic Party ends up reflecting the priorities of those who are already in office, which is to make sure the incumbents get reelected.

This means there's very little incentive to expand the electorate (which would mean younger voters, who are likely to vote younger candidates, so that threatens the aging incumbents), or spend resources in expanding the map (because by definition there are no incumbents there whose interests are represented in the party).

For as advanced as the US political system is, it's incredibly backwards when it comes to professionalization of the political parties. A good comparison is the BJP in India. Setting aside policy, ideological issues for a moment, what they're really good at is being professional. The head of the party is not elected, and constantly rotates the party representative in each election, keeping their bench deep. They also have a soft age limit.

In a way, Donald Trump's greatest contribution to the Republican Party was destroying the incumbency advantage for Republicans. As a result the Republican slate was completely refreshed with younger (although generally worse) candidates, but while it may have made the party significantly worse from a policy/ideology perspective, it has made it politically stronger.

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Trump was president in 2018, if you’ve forgotten.

> The United States cut funding for UNESCO under the Obama administration after it voted to include Palestine as a full member, and then pulled out completely during President Trump’s first term. >But in 2023, the Biden administration reversed that decision and decided to rejoin. - NYT - U.S. Says It Will Withdraw From U.N. Cultural Organization, Again To be fair it looks like funding was cut during the Obama admin o…

Yes, in 2011

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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What year is it, 2017? https://2017-2021.state.gov/the-united-states-withdraws-from... Boring, been here before. UNESCO and world moved on. With some notable declarations like Demoscene and Techno music being added in a number of countries. Too bad those couldn't be added to a US registry also.

Seems like there's nothing new coming from Trump v2. Just a repeat of v1 with varying degree of intensity.

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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> These are seemingly smart people. They _are_ smart people. There's more to the differences in perspective than "lib smart, maga stupid".

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I think there's also more to it than that.
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