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Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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And it’s wild to think that more than 1/3 of the devs I’ve met in my life support this admin. These are seemingly smart people. The past 10 years or so made me realize I don’t know anything about human nature or intellect. Edit: I am in no way saying conservatism is bad and liberalism is good. I have my values in both.

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Thus failing the Game of life at the very core, with corresponding last moments full of regrets if available. Yes we all have met those folks, only fools (or similar but less successful folks) wish they would be those people.

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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post #40

And it’s wild to think that more than 1/3 of the devs I’ve met in my life support this admin. These are seemingly smart people. The past 10 years or so made me realize I don’t know anything about human nature or intellect. Edit: I am in no way saying conservatism is bad and liberalism is good. I have my values in both.

They're probably smart, but also assholes. Being kind to others and being smart aren't mutually exclusive.

Being an asshole is one thing. But thinking you can be an asshole by proxy by becoming an asshole's victim, is something else entirely.

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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post #40

And it’s wild to think that more than 1/3 of the devs I’ve met in my life support this admin. These are seemingly smart people. The past 10 years or so made me realize I don’t know anything about human nature or intellect. Edit: I am in no way saying conservatism is bad and liberalism is good. I have my values in both.

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That’s a very naive reading, pretending all that is happening is because of Twitter flame wars.

It may appear so, because that’s how the actors involved use social media, but it’s not caused by it.

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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When did America stop being a globalist in the globalization that they themselves created. And how do you justify iran, hoothis, israel, taiwan with an antiglobalist agenda.

As you (probably) imply, the rhetoric is fake and the game continues as it always has. The UNESCO thing is probably a gift to MAGA to distract them from certain other problems/scandals that this administration currently has.

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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post #115

When did America stop being a globalist in the globalization that they themselves created. And how do you justify iran, hoothis, israel, taiwan with an antiglobalist agenda.

In answer to the first question... there's been an isolationist streak among the right for decades. But in answer to the second, expecting consistency from the American right is a bad idea. They do not care about being consistent, any so-called principles are only applied to others -- not themselves. (And I acknowledge that all humans and all groups have the ability to be hypocritical in some circumstances, but it's far more pronounced in the American right.)

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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And it’s wild to think that more than 1/3 of the devs I’ve met in my life support this admin. These are seemingly smart people. The past 10 years or so made me realize I don’t know anything about human nature or intellect. Edit: I am in no way saying conservatism is bad and liberalism is good. I have my values in both.

This is a deep topic but let me try and summarize.

The key concept here is "transhumanism" [1]. This is a very popular belief among Silicon Valley CEOs. Followers have deluded themselves into thinking their genes are special and they think about what they can do to ensure this transhuman future. It usually means having as many children as possible a la Elon Musk.

Thing is, transhumanism is simply eugenics [2]. It's tech-flavored white supremacy [3].

[1]: https://www.thenation.com/article/economy/silicon-valley-art...

[2]: https://www.seenandunseen.com/transhumanism-eugenics-digital...

[3]: https://biopoliticalphilosophy.com/2023/01/19/transhumanism-...

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

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By definition of what? You're just saying words and claiming them to be true and undebatable. Regardless, these people are claiming to act upon the word of the Bible while ignoring the parts of taking care of the hungry and the poor.

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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And it’s wild to think that more than 1/3 of the devs I’ve met in my life support this admin. These are seemingly smart people. The past 10 years or so made me realize I don’t know anything about human nature or intellect. Edit: I am in no way saying conservatism is bad and liberalism is good. I have my values in both.

A couple of things I've realized as I've gotten older:

1. Intelligence does not transfer across domains. E.g. being good at making money doesn't necessarily make you qualified in other areas. And vice versa, as Isaac Newton is famously quoted as saying "I can calculate the motion of heavenly bodies, but not the madness of men" after losing a ton of money in the South Sea Bubble.

2. Many (most) people view their identity as a membership in some group, however that is defined. Most people like to pretend to argue about policy, but they're really arguing about their group membership.

3. Admitting you were wrong and changing your opinion is incredibly difficult for most people, perhaps even moreso for people who are nominally smart in other domains. Doubly so if it goes against your group membership as pointed out in #2.

Regarding "And it’s wild to think that more than 1/3 of the devs I’ve met in my life support this admin" specifically, at least in my experience, many of the devs don't support Trump as much as they chaffed against some of the cultural changes Democrats led (woefully unsuccessfully in my opinion) and so they hooked their wagon to Trump. E.g. this is my personal opinion, but I think "the left" really did go overboard with language policing, recognizing racial group membership above all else when it comes to diversity, labeling any valid discussion of the pros and cons of biological men in women's sports as "transphobic", the utter dishonesty in pretending Biden would be capable for another term and thus denying a real primary, etc. etc. And, to be blunt about it, for a very long time the Democratic party had almost nothing to offer for white men - indeed, in many aspects "old white men" became an acceptable derogatory term amongst the left. How they expected that would win them elections in the US is beyond me.

So don't get me wrong, I think Trump is worse in nearly every way, but I think a lot of the dev supporters I've seen of Trump are less full-on MAGA folks than libertarian types who thought Trump would challenge the excesses of the left (and are now having a hard time admitting his full-on fascist behavior).

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