The United States withdraws from UNESCO • Hacker News Board

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by _ink_ » Tue, Jul 22, 2025, 2:59 PM UTC

LoganDark wrote: post #51

I really hope the next president will be able to undo this fucking mess... otherwise the US is probably never going to catch back up to what it used to be. Voters made a terrible mistake.

He or she won't be able to this. It's much quicker to destroy then to (re)create. Especially since any decent president won't use EOs exclusively. And even if EOs would be used, congress and courts suddenly will wake up from their slumber.

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by Insanity » Tue, Jul 22, 2025, 2:59 PM UTC

saubeidl wrote: post #83

lvl155 wrote: post #40

And it’s wild to think that more than 1/3 of the devs I’ve met in my life support this admin. These are seemingly smart people. The past 10 years or so made me realize I don’t know anything about human nature or intellect. Edit: I am in no way saying conservatism is bad and liberalism is good. I have my values in both.

Being good at math or engineering doesn't make you good at empathy, sociology, politics or any number of other functions.

Agreed, however, people with a good education _usually_ learn think intelligently about a variety of problems. By which I mean, they understand how to fact check sources, how to think critically about information presented to them, and how to validate their own assumptions.

Edit: removing a sentence that came across as offensive.

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by ck2 » Tue, Jul 22, 2025, 2:59 PM UTC

The last ten days of January 2029 are going to be wild

1200 days, if we make it, well if there's a real election

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by aprilthird2021 » Tue, Jul 22, 2025, 2:59 PM UTC

Workaccount2 wrote: post #91

lvl155 wrote: post #40

And it’s wild to think that more than 1/3 of the devs I’ve met in my life support this admin. These are seemingly smart people. The past 10 years or so made me realize I don’t know anything about human nature or intellect. Edit: I am in no way saying conservatism is bad and liberalism is good. I have my values in both.

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I don't buy this. Both parties have flaws. The Republicans under Trump don't understand economics, are willing to cut our benefits while still increasing the deficit, are willing to fire disproportionately veterans (who are disproportionately in federal jobs), are willing to let corrupt people walk free and avoid trial, are willing to crypto scam their own supporters, and are willing to make us a pariah state so we can keep supporting Israel.

And Democrats are nauseating about identity politics.

Voters get what they vote for, and they voted for this and now they are suffering. The mental calculus here has to change or it will just get worse

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by seydor » Tue, Jul 22, 2025, 3:00 PM UTC

When did America stop being a globalist in the globalization that they themselves created. And how do you justify iran, hoothis, israel, taiwan with an antiglobalist agenda.

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by micromacrofoot » Tue, Jul 22, 2025, 3:00 PM UTC

lvl155 wrote: post #40

And it’s wild to think that more than 1/3 of the devs I’ve met in my life support this admin. These are seemingly smart people. The past 10 years or so made me realize I don’t know anything about human nature or intellect. Edit: I am in no way saying conservatism is bad and liberalism is good. I have my values in both.

They're probably smart, but also assholes. Being kind to others and being smart aren't mutually exclusive.

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by Sparkle-san » Tue, Jul 22, 2025, 3:00 PM UTC

Workaccount2 wrote: post #91

lvl155 wrote: post #40

And it’s wild to think that more than 1/3 of the devs I’ve met in my life support this admin. These are seemingly smart people. The past 10 years or so made me realize I don’t know anything about human nature or intellect. Edit: I am in no way saying conservatism is bad and liberalism is good. I have my values in both.

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Most people didn't actually care about the culture war and wanted to focus on the economy. Unfortunately those people also failed to absorb the fact that the fast-talking grifter was in fact grifting them into supporting him by lying that he is a master of the economy.

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by ddq » Tue, Jul 22, 2025, 3:00 PM UTC

rexpop wrote: post #69

_Yguy_ wrote: post #17

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Deeply, deeply deranged to suggest that Israel—a $600B economy—is "wagging the dog" of our $30,500B economy.

"Deeply, deeply deranged" is fairly inflammatory language to express your own reductive ignorance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-BDS_laws#Anti-BDS_laws_in...

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by ceejayoz » Tue, Jul 22, 2025, 3:00 PM UTC

philipallstar wrote: post #103

ceejayoz wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There is no context that justifies UNESCO focussing on criticism of Israel's self defence, as opposed to focussing on Hamas's attrocity that started the war (or Putin etc) Sure there is. Only one is still actively happening, and it's the one that's killed 20-60x as many civilians, depending on whose estimates you follow. > There is no context that justifies UNESCO rebranding Jewish holy places as “Palestinian World…

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> This is what happens when your neighbours wall you off because they don't want you in their countries…

Ah, so now context matters.

> keep training your children to hate them

As do Israeli settlers.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/clip-of-israeli... "An Israeli organization calling itself The Civil Front has sparked controversy on social media by producing a song in which children fete the “destruction” in Gaza and say “nothing will be left there” in a year’s time."

> you deliberately fight using civilians as human shields

"How Israel’s Army Uses Palestinians as Human Shields in Gaza": https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/14/world/middleeast/israel-g...

> Is this your explanation for them calling it only one of the religion's holy places?

Is that actually what happened?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_Heritage_Sites_i... says things like "UNESCO listed it with no attribution to any state".

https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/ is the list. Let's discuss a specific one. https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/148, for example, says "a holy city for Judaism, Christianity and Islam".

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by pstuart » Tue, Jul 22, 2025, 3:00 PM UTC

ignoramous wrote: post #81

lvl155 wrote: post #40

And it’s wild to think that more than 1/3 of the devs I’ve met in my life support this admin. These are seemingly smart people. The past 10 years or so made me realize I don’t know anything about human nature or intellect. Edit: I am in no way saying conservatism is bad and liberalism is good. I have my values in both.

> These are seemingly smart people. Engs all think they and their peers are very logical and super smart. They must be because of all the world changing apps/services/monies they make...? I've fallen in to this trap.

Clarity of words will help:

  * Intelligence is the computational power one is born with
  * Stupid/smart is the effective utilization of that intelligence

Lots of intelligent people do lots of stupid things (mea culpa)