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The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by ignoramous »

lvl155 wrote: post #40

And it’s wild to think that more than 1/3 of the devs I’ve met in my life support this admin. These are seemingly smart people. The past 10 years or so made me realize I don’t know anything about human nature or intellect. Edit: I am in no way saying conservatism is bad and liberalism is good. I have my values in both.

> These are seemingly smart people.

Engs all think they and their peers are very logical and super smart. They must be because of all the world changing apps/services/monies they make...? I've fallen in to this trap.

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by saubeidl »

lvl155 wrote: post #40

And it’s wild to think that more than 1/3 of the devs I’ve met in my life support this admin. These are seemingly smart people. The past 10 years or so made me realize I don’t know anything about human nature or intellect. Edit: I am in no way saying conservatism is bad and liberalism is good. I have my values in both.

Being good at math or engineering doesn't make you good at empathy, sociology, politics or any number of other functions.

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by bryanlarsen »

rtkwe wrote: post #43
netsharc wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why fantasize that the GOP isn't going to do a Putin/Erdogan/Suharto? Those countries have "democratic" elections and keep electing the same president, they must be hella great guys!

There are clearly pockets that want to but I'm not sure there's enough support in important areas to actually have a coup like that succeed. Kind of have to wait and see how things develop.

It's not a coup if you stay in power illegally, it's a self-coup. 2020 was a coup attempt because Trump gave up power and then tried to give it back. He's not going to make that same mistake again. He'll just attempt to stay in power via self-coup.

Unlike coup's which are distinct events, self-coup's are usually shades of grey. They happen through democratic backsliding, which usually consists of a large number of small events. I'm sure we'll see some more before the next election. Will it be enough so that the US is as bad as Russia or Turkey? No. Will it be enough to keep Trump in power illegally? Perhaps.

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

LoganDark wrote: post #51

I really hope the next president will be able to undo this fucking mess... otherwise the US is probably never going to catch back up to what it used to be. Voters made a terrible mistake.

There is exactly zero chance that the US can go back to what it was as a result of a single election.

Structural change is needed, which is unlikely to happen, and the depth of the destruction of the machine of government cannot be rebuilt in less than a decade, and that's just the foundation upon which reputation is then built.

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by saubeidl »

nemomarx wrote: post #71
netsharc wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why fantasize that the GOP isn't going to do a Putin/Erdogan/Suharto? Those countries have "democratic" elections and keep electing the same president, they must be hella great guys!

The optimistic case is that while they made noise about election fraud in 2020 no one was organized enough to try for a coup then, and it's not clear if they'll be able to get organized in time for 28

They definitely tried for a coup then. Forgot Jan 6 already?

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by supplied_demand »

cbeach wrote: post #56
eclecticfrank wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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==There is no context that justifies Hamas using schools as weapons hubs.==

Hamas isn't a part of UNESCO, nor should they be. I don't think we should let the KKK, Proud Boys, or Gatekeepers into UNESCO either based on their domestic terror activities.

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by throw7 »

This seems to be a political back and forth (beginning with the admittance of palestine in the past)... (from wikipedia) U.S. (and Israel) left UNESCO in 2018, but the United States rejoined in 2023. I presume U.S. has left again now in 2025.

[edit: kind of surprised this hasn't been flagged, but sadly indicative of HN's bias.]

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