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FCC to eliminate gigabit speed goal and scrap analysis of broadband prices

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Re: FCC to eliminate gigabit speed goal and scrap analysis of broadband prices

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

ivape wrote: post #70
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it got rammed into our heads that God made the constitution Article III is light in describing the courts [1]. Our judicial system is mostly a creature of Congress, not the Constitution. I’m personally a fan of choosing by lot, from the appellate bench, a random slate of justices for each case. (That court of rotating judges would be the one in which “the judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested”.) You…

The problem is that the executive appoints the lower court judges, so the pool is tainted. A solution to this is probably something everyone needs to start thinking about (the whole problem), because a future democrat or sane republican will need to push a reform onto the court. Biden tried to push term limits before he left. Trump is a pen tester and showed all the cracks, so there's going to have to be a massive re…

> problem is that the executive appoints the lower court judges

President nominates judges; he doesn’t appoint without the Senate.

Moreover, “the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments,” a category that includes “Judges of the Supreme Court” [1]. The Congress may, by statute alone, remove the President’s power to appoint SCOTUS justices.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appointments_Clause

Re: FCC to eliminate gigabit speed goal and scrap analysis of broadband prices

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Post by smt88 »

wnevets wrote: post #50
vjvjvjvjghv wrote: post #2

Seems they really want to revert everything that made the US a world leader. - Reduce science - Reduce collected data - Reduce immigration - Reduce infrastructure - Reduce adoption of EVs

If an adversarial nation had control of the white house would anyone be able to tell the difference

I think an adversarial nation would reduce military activity far more than the current regime has.

That might be the only difference, though.

Re: FCC to eliminate gigabit speed goal and scrap analysis of broadband prices

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Post by Dylan16807 »

giantg2 wrote: post #14

I think this isn't as bad as people make of out to be. The 100/20 goal is perfectly fine for the vast majority of users. The only thing really supporting the old goal of gigabit connections was fiber. I would rather see the expansion of traditional cable or even satellite to rural areas. Fiber plans tend to be expensive and mostly available in the areas that already have usable high speed options. If we really want t…

> The 100/20 goal is perfectly fine for the vast majority of users.

100/20 is fine for one person. But gigabit isn't very hard to achieve and is a far better goal speed for entire households. Gigabit is also a lot more convenient any time a big download is involved.

> The only thing really supporting the old goal of gigabit connections was fiber.

Coax can do it.

> I would rather see the expansion of traditional cable or even satellite to rural areas. Fiber plans tend to be expensive and mostly available in the areas that already have usable high speed options.

Shouldn't fiber be a bit easier to run than coax? If you're going to run one data wire to a new area, it should be fiber. And if you can run power you can run data too.

Re: FCC to eliminate gigabit speed goal and scrap analysis of broadband prices

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Post by datahack »

testbjjl wrote: post #64
giantg2 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By that definition, we haven't been leading for years since the Chinese are cranking them out much faster than Tesla. What if we want to be a world leader in satellite internet coverage? Is that a goal you support? Because that's part of what these changes are about.

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That’s the kind of unkind and rather toxic comment I would expect on Reddit, not HN.

Unimpressed.

Re: FCC to eliminate gigabit speed goal and scrap analysis of broadband prices

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Post by kingstnap »

dlcarrier wrote: post #44

You can always tell how tech savvy someone is, buy how much bandwidth they don't buy. They don't fall for the marketing/lobbying of the big incumbent ISPs. Anyone I've known worth their salt in networking cares about latency far more than speed. Historically upload speeds on asymmetrical plans were a problem too, but since people have started to work from home, most cable/fiber/wireless internet providers' lowest pla…

There's no reason to artificially limit the speed. If your city has fibre, everyone can have gigabit internet.

There's no savings for the ISP to throttle your pipe.

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Post by threatofrain »

tbrownaw wrote: post #56
vlovich123 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assuming you’re referring to Chevron/Loper, I fail to see the relevance to this case. Also, it’s important to remember that Chevron wasn’t “however they want” or to “reinterpret their own authorizations”. It was a doctrine that if the agency (staffed by domain experts responsible for resolving the ambiguity) had a reasonable interpretation of an ambiguity in the law, even if the court thought it had a better opinion,…

> It was a doctrine that if the agency (staffed by domain experts responsible for resolving the ambiguity) This is not an accurate description of what agencies are meant to be experts in. Their expertise is meant to be in how best to act within their bounds. Which is distinct from deciding what those bounds are.

Their expertise is in science.

Re: FCC to eliminate gigabit speed goal and scrap analysis of broadband prices

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Post by ikiris »

timewizard wrote: post #51
lenerdenator wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the problem, though; no one's applying any negative stimulus at all.

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We seem to have hit the point where a civil engineer 2 brick layers and the town drunk are voting on if beams are necessary.

Re: FCC to eliminate gigabit speed goal and scrap analysis of broadband prices

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Post by wmf »

userbinator wrote: post #48

Maybe this will force sites to stop wasting bandwidth and stem the bloat. You should not need a gigabit connection (which I do not even have in all of my home LAN) to browse the Internet. Edit: downvoters, please explain why I need 125MB/s (that's 3 full installations of Windows 95 every second) for normal browsing.

You don't need gigabit but resource constraints have never reined in bloat in the past and they won't now.

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Post by dlcarrier »

yxhuvud wrote: post #52
dlcarrier wrote: post #44

You can always tell how tech savvy someone is, buy how much bandwidth they don't buy. They don't fall for the marketing/lobbying of the big incumbent ISPs. Anyone I've known worth their salt in networking cares about latency far more than speed. Historically upload speeds on asymmetrical plans were a problem too, but since people have started to work from home, most cable/fiber/wireless internet providers' lowest pla…

Not certain I buy this argument - higher throughput tend to require more modern hardware throughout the whole chain, and modern hardware also tends to have better latency than old. So for most people, they will get improvement in both latency and throughput if they would get a gigabit fiber connection. But sure, if you are comparing chains of the same hardware generation, go for latency in most cases.

You're all using the same equipment, regardless of the tier you sign up for. The firmware in your modem or their router limits the maximum packet rate, but individual packets and small groups of packets are always traveling at gigabit speeds, regardless of the speed cap.

That difference in latency isn't even what matters; it's the latency from the various types of modems. With the direct connection of fiber providers, you can often get sub-millisecond latency from nearby collocations, and rarely do ISPs have more than a few milliseconds of latency.

With cable providers, DOCSIS adds ten to twenty milliseconds of latency. You'll get about double that latency With LTE providers and low-eath-orbit satellite providers that have nearby ground stations. With geosynchronous satellite providers, you'll get several hundred milliseconds of latencu.

A 50 Mbps fiber plan will get an order of magnitude lower latency than a gigabit plan from anyone else.

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