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UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by dragonwriter »

fyrn_ wrote: post #47
duxup wrote: post #4

I really sort of expected that by the time I reached my age that we'd have more policy makers that understood tech a little better. I feel like in the last say 25 or more years ... the needle hasn't moved.

Part of that is US policy makers have barely changed, they are just older now. Very troubling trend that.

Policy makers change frequently and often radically. Federal lawmakers less so, but lawmakers are a small subset of policymakers, and not the ones who create international pressure; those are political appointees in the executive branch, and they change frequently.

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by throwmeaway222 »

Spivak wrote: post #28
setgree wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This article is explicitly about how J.D. Vance (age 40) & others at the White House are forcefully advocating for preserving E2E encryption. Arguably not for the right reasons, but still. I'm not sure what you mean by "more" but what you are asking for is in fact happening.

Hey, even the worst person in the world is owed their right to privacy. Determining if someone is doing evil with their right necessarily undermines privacy for everyone.

not after we find him

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by f4c39012 »

xhkkffbf wrote: post #16
duxup wrote: post #4

I really sort of expected that by the time I reached my age that we'd have more policy makers that understood tech a little better. I feel like in the last say 25 or more years ... the needle hasn't moved.

It does seem to me like the US Vice President is advancing a pretty tech savvy policy. He's pushing for privacy. Am I missing something?

i read from this that he wants US control, nothing to do with privacy

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by blitzar »

patrickmcnamara wrote: post #42
pyrale wrote: post #25

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They are forcefully pushing for whatever the position of US companies is in conflicts between US companies and EU regulators. The position of the US executive on encryption is well summarized by the Lavabit case.

The UK is not in the EU.

The UK left the EU so we could persue a far stuipider set of regulations.

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by hobs »

reactordev wrote: post #48
GeekyBear wrote: post #43

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The U.S. also attempted to force Apple to add a back door just a decade ago. > Tim Cook, the C.E.O. of Apple, which has been ordered to help the F.B.I. get into the cell phone of the San Bernardino shooters, wrote in an angry open letter this week that "the U.S. government has asked us for something we simply do not have, and something we consider too dangerous to create." The second part of that formulation has righ…

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I mean Cellebrite has been a public name for a long time now, and LEO pays for that and similar devices which basically launder zero days and physical exploits to get your stuff.

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by duxup »

scarface_74 wrote: post #46
duxup wrote: post #36

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I feel like you answered much of your own questions. Beyond that many of the departments that this data is being extracted from have rules about who can access (no not everyone in the IRS has free reign) and what they can do with it. For good reason, IRS's job is to focus on what the law says they should do, not say punish political enemies and so on. But transfer it to DODGE, ICE, Palantir, there are no laws at all…

The problem is the laws - not the data sharing. In some countries, tax data is available to everyone. Norway, Finland and Sweden in particular. There may be others

They're not just gathering IRS data. I'm not sure you read what I wrote at all.

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by wkat4242 »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #44
wkat4242 wrote: post #38

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Trump will do a lot more harm to US tech companies than Biden. A lot of us here in Europe are moving away from US tech, and as we are building more of our own it's very unlikely we will come back. Right now there aren't too many EU alternatives yet which is why you don't really notice yet. But the damaged trust in the US as a 'partner' will outlive Trump for decades. As they say "trust arrives on foot and leaves on h…

Just seems very unrealistic wishful thinking that Europe would suddenly become good at these kinds of software after spending the last few decades being bad at it.

It's a lot easier now because there's a huge demand all of a sudden for local services.

Previously it was hard to compete with the US because the lack of regulation there and investors in the EU having more expectations rather than just throwing money at the wall and hoping it sticks.

But with the exploitative business models like Google's consumer tracking and now with Trump and his trade wars the US is no longer viewed as a friend or a country to look up to. I think it will only increase the EU's push for more privacy and ethical business models.

There's a big grassroots movement like "BuyFromEU" to cut US products and services out of our lives. I think that trade balance is only going to get worse. And really it was actually not bad at all, the problem is that Trump was only counting products not services when looking at the trade balance. I guess because his voters are primarily blue collar workers.

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by jrockway »

reactordev wrote: post #48
GeekyBear wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The U.S. also attempted to force Apple to add a back door just a decade ago. > Tim Cook, the C.E.O. of Apple, which has been ordered to help the F.B.I. get into the cell phone of the San Bernardino shooters, wrote in an angry open letter this week that "the U.S. government has asked us for something we simply do not have, and something we consider too dangerous to create." The second part of that formulation has righ…

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I don't think anyone's surprised by that. Our emails have literally been used to target ads at us since like 2006. Cell phone carriers are happy to mine voicemail, call logs, SMS, etc. in the hopes of finding a revenue stream that doesn't involve them having to do irritating work like running fiber to cell phone towers.

This leaves contact mining as the odd one out, but given how many apps want to see your contacts, you know that those are being sold by at least one of those apps.

None of this stuff has ever been end-to-end encrypted, so there can't be any way people expect it to be private.

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by standardUser »

petre wrote: post #34
Spivak wrote: post #28

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Hey, even the worst person in the world is owed their right to privacy. Determining if someone is doing evil with their right necessarily undermines privacy for everyone.

I'm sure the police can catch child abusers the old fashioned way: by infiltrating cp networks and posing as kids online. This snooper's charter is in fact overreach and an invitation to build something like the Stasi.

If devoted half the resources to catching child abusers as we do to stop people from getting high after work, we'd have a whole hell of a lot fewer abused children. But, priorities!
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