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Peep Show is the most realistic portrayal of evil I have seen (2020)

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Re: Peep Show is the most realistic portrayal of evil I have seen (2020)

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> If Peep Show has any sort of singular thematic message, it’s that low self-esteem is the root of all evil. Interestingly this is a similar conclusion that the Unabomber came to in Industrial Society and its Future : https://web.cs.ucdavis.edu/~rogaway/classes/188/materials/In... Kaczynski called out low self-esteem as one of several foundational components in the psychology of his hated enemies (“leftists”), whom h…

Ah the "society made me a killer/rapist" defense! Incels usually narrow it down to women whom are expected to have sex with them because men are owed sex.

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Re: Peep Show is the most realistic portrayal of evil I have seen (2020)

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> To Arendt, that was the scariest thing of all – that such evil could be perpetrated by so banal an individual. My takeaway from Eichmann was not that Eichmann _wasn't_ a horrible person. It's very clear that he is horrible, that he had full knowledge of what he was doing. Her characterization of him was actually comical. Totally irreverent of the man. (and, made the book quite a fun read) But I think Eichmann made…

> In fact, seeing the gas vans up close was disturbing to Eichmann, as it would be to anyone.

And the gas vans (and chambers) were already an deliberate effort to make mass murder more palatable to those committing it.

In the early stages, the Holocaust was done not with gas, but with bullets. But the Nazi leadership found that their troops could not stomach mass shootings, not even the SS. Many started to drink too much, or started to talk too much. A few reveled in it - which in turn was something the leadership could not stomach: they had framed the actions to themselves as distasteful but crucial to ensure the survival of the German people, they did not want it to be executed by homicidal maniacs.

Thus, gas chambers: the person pressing the button doesn't have to see people die, and the disposal of the bodies can be outsourced to local labor, even to future victims.

Much easier on the conscience.

Re: Peep Show is the most realistic portrayal of evil I have seen (2020)

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This article really makes sense. I think back on my past and all the evil actions I have taken have all been fed by very low self-worth and insecurity. When you think of yourself as below everyone else, trying to bring them down to your level with malicious acts can feel like quite reasonable. You're "punching up" so you can feel a sense of righteous justification. It's only looking back that I realize I wasn't nearl…

Another TV show that played with this concept well is "30 Rocks", with the main protagonist dreading to go to her high school reunion because she was a nerdy girl mocked by the high-school bully, As the episode go on, she realize that she was the bully, everyone was terrified of her and her extremely cruel remarks, including her friend who was afraid of her, turning the whole 'underdog nerd' trope on it's head. On a…

30 Rock is one of the funniest and smartest TV shows of all time.

Re: Peep Show is the most realistic portrayal of evil I have seen (2020)

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I think this is an important point - it's very easy to find oneself slipping into the protagonists' viewpoints, in a lot of media the protagonist is 'good', we see the story unfold from their viewpoint, then sympathise and empathise with them, even when they make mistakes, their motivations were pure, and what’s unfolding isn’t due to problems with them exactly. But in shows like this, in quite a lot of sitcoms with…

Well… part of what made Breaking Bad so good was the artful way it manipulated your feelings for Walter. By the end I was back rooting for him. I wanted his plan to rescue Jessie (and to an extent Skyler) to work. It felt like a partial atonement[1] and allowed to show wrap up satisfyingly. I feel the same way the same way about Tony Soprano. A terrible person with terrible behaviour but I still root for him at the e…

I was rooting fot Gus so badly. I just wanted Walter to die by the end of it.

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I always refer to it as cringe humour too but for the reason that it makes me physically cringe seeing how they humiliate themselves in social situations - Like NO MARK PLEASE DONT DO THAT! DONT ACT ON THAT IMPULSE PLEASE! kinda thing.

If you like cringe humor, you might 'enjoy' the web tv show "2Kawaii4Comfort" on YouTube, about late teens/young adults going to an anime convention. It's very well written, and it's the first time I've physically reacted that much to the awkwardness of fictional characters.

Ah nice thank you. This looks like something I might enjoy indeed. Cheers

Re: Peep Show is the most realistic portrayal of evil I have seen (2020)

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Another TV show that played with this concept well is "30 Rocks", with the main protagonist dreading to go to her high school reunion because she was a nerdy girl mocked by the high-school bully, As the episode go on, she realize that she was the bully, everyone was terrified of her and her extremely cruel remarks, including her friend who was afraid of her, turning the whole 'underdog nerd' trope on it's head. On a…

30 Rock is one of the funniest and smartest TV shows of all time.

It's a perfect show. There are so many hilarious lines. My favorite has to be when tracy says "don't make me show you the back of my hand" and then on his hand is written "please be nice to me".

Re: Peep Show is the most realistic portrayal of evil I have seen (2020)

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This article really makes sense. I think back on my past and all the evil actions I have taken have all been fed by very low self-worth and insecurity. When you think of yourself as below everyone else, trying to bring them down to your level with malicious acts can feel like quite reasonable. You're "punching up" so you can feel a sense of righteous justification. It's only looking back that I realize I wasn't nearl…

This. You don't even need the "punching up" justification, sometimes low self worth itself can be enough to rationalize behavior. Something like "I'm a loser anyway, so of course I do things that losers do". This is bad!

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Another TV show that played with this concept well is "30 Rocks", with the main protagonist dreading to go to her high school reunion because she was a nerdy girl mocked by the high-school bully, As the episode go on, she realize that she was the bully, everyone was terrified of her and her extremely cruel remarks, including her friend who was afraid of her, turning the whole 'underdog nerd' trope on it's head. On a…

I wish the show were called "30 Rocks" now, and was about gemstones.

Finally the series that we've been waiting for in which the protagonists are 30-somethings and actually happy?
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