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You can now buy eggs from in-ovo sexed hens

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Re: You can now buy eggs from in-ovo sexed hens

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Post by Hackbraten »

Maskawanian wrote: post #50
schnebbau wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, so we can all agree that killing the male chicks is inhumane. But you think the solution, _to not birth the male chicks_, is just as inhumane? If so, awful take. This is infinitely better and most definitely a step in the right direction.

No, you are putting words into my mouth. Try to argue in good faith through understanding the other party's viewpoint before responding. I don't see much difference between killing chicks after them being born, or stopping them from being born in the first place. The only difference is in the efficiency of business operations. If my values are that each deserves a chance at a life--whatever life it may be, I can advo…

> The only difference is in the efficiency of business operations.

Are you implying that the chicks being killed are not suffering?

Re: You can now buy eggs from in-ovo sexed hens

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Post by Mistletoe »

> What are the alternatives? We are pleased to see that research is being carried out to look into ways of sexing chicks at an early stage, whilst still in the egg. These new technologies aim to do the sexing and disposal before the embryo can feel pain, which happens at around seven days. We are following these developments with interest.

https://www.rspcaassured.org.uk/farmed-animal-welfare/egg-la...

Re: You can now buy eggs from in-ovo sexed hens

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Post by XorNot »

I wonder what holds back developing a chicken which only produces female eggs.

Feels like the volume should mean we're not experimentally limited in the technology, and the savings are obvious.

Like a CRISPR system which turns off the male chromosomes in roosters or something.

Re: You can now buy eggs from in-ovo sexed hens

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Post by hattmall »

fhd2 wrote: post #22
homeless_engi wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Male chicks are not feed nor raised but rather fed into a device quite similar to a wood chipper shortly áfter birth. You can read more about it here [1] or find some quite graphic videos on YouTube. This is addressed in the article: "In polling, only 10% of Americans correctly identify that male chicks in the egg industry are killed shortly after hatching. A plurality mistakenly believe these chicks are raised for m…

"10% even think that male chickens can lay eggs" I really didn't see that one coming.

I think 10% of people probably just say things for their own internal amusement. I have to think there's some overlap with the people who draw penises or write or write "jokes" in bathroom stalls.

Re: You can now buy eggs from in-ovo sexed hens

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Post by RansomStark »

cFyrute wrote: post #36
tantalor wrote: post #33

Is there really a big difference if the chick is destroyed shortly before or shortly after hatching? Why is hatched-or-not the ethical standard?

It's just a clump of cells. Maybe the hen isn't ready to start a family and is still discovering herself? Her broody her choice.

Not a fan of the delivery, but, I think its an interesting point, and that both movements have a similar idea at their core, that life begins at birth / hatching. I think the parallels are interesting.

Re: You can now buy eggs from in-ovo sexed hens

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Post by clort »

xigoi wrote: post #30
fhd2 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"10% even think that male chickens can lay eggs" I really didn't see that one coming.

There was also that time when a milk company wrote the names of the cows who produced the milk on the cartons and some feminist complained that all the names were female.

is it an urban legend, or do you have reference for that?

Re: You can now buy eggs from in-ovo sexed hens

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Post by XorNot »

timcobb wrote: post #57
ZFleck wrote: post #49

To those arguing that this is irrelevant, I urge you to search for a video of this "culling" yourself. All the logic in the world can't ease my stomach after watching a conveyer belt of chicks get dumped directly into a meat grinder. It's simply not right. And while there are still many issues remaining in the meat industry (arguably its existence at all), this is one less.

> conveyer belt of chicks get dumped directly into a meat grinder. I haven't seen it, and correct me if this is not the case, but it doesn't strike me as a bad way to go. Getting macerated beats most of the ways humans and wild animals die. Do these chicks have any idea "what hit them"?

It's been studied and short answer is: no. The alternative is CO2 asphyxiation, but the process is very fast and severs the spine almost immediately.

The bigger problem is chicks getting crushed to death by other chicks during processing.

Like a lot less happens to those chicks then say, when a flock of chickens is processed.

Re: You can now buy eggs from in-ovo sexed hens

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Post by stouset »

Maskawanian wrote: post #50
schnebbau wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, so we can all agree that killing the male chicks is inhumane. But you think the solution, _to not birth the male chicks_, is just as inhumane? If so, awful take. This is infinitely better and most definitely a step in the right direction.

No, you are putting words into my mouth. Try to argue in good faith through understanding the other party's viewpoint before responding. I don't see much difference between killing chicks after them being born, or stopping them from being born in the first place. The only difference is in the efficiency of business operations. If my values are that each deserves a chance at a life--whatever life it may be, I can advo…

Nobody is putting words in your mouth. They are reacting directly to the absolutely bonkers statements you are making that there is ethically no difference between killing 350 million live, healthy male chicks every year and preventing those chicks from being born in the first place.

Re: You can now buy eggs from in-ovo sexed hens

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Post by starkrights »

Maskawanian wrote: post #50
schnebbau wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, so we can all agree that killing the male chicks is inhumane. But you think the solution, _to not birth the male chicks_, is just as inhumane? If so, awful take. This is infinitely better and most definitely a step in the right direction.

No, you are putting words into my mouth. Try to argue in good faith through understanding the other party's viewpoint before responding. I don't see much difference between killing chicks after them being born, or stopping them from being born in the first place. The only difference is in the efficiency of business operations. If my values are that each deserves a chance at a life--whatever life it may be, I can advo…

Good faith clarification: you’re saying you believe that preventing chicks from being born causes an equal amount of suffering to an animal as the (what would otherwise be) physical extermination of those chicks?
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