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Re: Speeding up my ZSH shell

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Post by grrowl »

hdjrudni wrote: post #45
soraminazuki wrote: post #38

With articles like these popping up all the time, oh-my-zsh is seriously harming zsh's reputation. It's giving the wrong impression of zsh being slow and bloated. zsh doesn't need configuration frameworks or plugins. All it needs is a change in the default settings so that its powerful completion works out the box. It currently needs more than ideal amount of tweaks to the defaults, which is probably why people flock…

I don't want to spend ages figuring out which knobs to turn to get a half decent shell. If there's an alternative to oh-my-zsh that looks halfway decent, has that nice fzf integrated, and the 'ghost text' history suggestions, then I welcome it!

Look into zgen, it's a zsh plugin system but much more static (but less ridiculous out of the box)

Re: Speeding up my ZSH shell

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Post by bbkane »

hdjrudni wrote: post #45
soraminazuki wrote: post #38

With articles like these popping up all the time, oh-my-zsh is seriously harming zsh's reputation. It's giving the wrong impression of zsh being slow and bloated. zsh doesn't need configuration frameworks or plugins. All it needs is a change in the default settings so that its powerful completion works out the box. It currently needs more than ideal amount of tweaks to the defaults, which is probably why people flock…

I don't want to spend ages figuring out which knobs to turn to get a half decent shell. If there's an alternative to oh-my-zsh that looks halfway decent, has that nice fzf integrated, and the 'ghost text' history suggestions, then I welcome it!

I'm definitely not an expert, but I configure zsh manually with those fzf and "ghost text". I took some notes in my repo, just copy the relevant portions if you actually want to try this: https://github.com/bbkane/dotfiles/tree/master/zsh

I tweak it occasionally, but for the most part I set it and forget it.

Re: Speeding up my ZSH shell

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Post by mcdow »

soraminazuki wrote: post #38

With articles like these popping up all the time, oh-my-zsh is seriously harming zsh's reputation. It's giving the wrong impression of zsh being slow and bloated. zsh doesn't need configuration frameworks or plugins. All it needs is a change in the default settings so that its powerful completion works out the box. It currently needs more than ideal amount of tweaks to the defaults, which is probably why people flock…

Came here to say this. I was able to get an omz featureset from vanilla zsh with a handful of lines of config. It works for the features I was using from omz.

Re: Speeding up my ZSH shell

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Post by opk »

saagarjha wrote: post #70
homebrewer wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pure zsh is alright, it's pretty much just bash with fantastic autocomplete that usually provides short form documentation right there along with the options. So no need to remember (or look up) what -X -d -f stands for. Get rid of oh-my-zsh and give the proper shell another chance.

I actually like bash's autocomplete better (maybe there's a way to configure how zsh does it, I haven't looked into it).

If you've only compared against zsh's out-of-the-box completion then you're comparing against the fully backward compatible with how things were in 1993 state. Turn on compinit, and a half-dozen styles to enable descriptions at the very least. The content of `StartupFiles/zshrc` from zsh sources is more than enough, no need for a bloated framework like oh-my-zsh.

Re: Speeding up my ZSH shell

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Post by GCUMstlyHarmls »

bbkane wrote: post #72
hdjrudni wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't want to spend ages figuring out which knobs to turn to get a half decent shell. If there's an alternative to oh-my-zsh that looks halfway decent, has that nice fzf integrated, and the 'ghost text' history suggestions, then I welcome it!

I'm definitely not an expert, but I configure zsh manually with those fzf and "ghost text". I took some notes in my repo, just copy the relevant portions if you actually want to try this: https://github.com/bbkane/dotfiles/tree/master/zsh I tweak it occasionally, but for the most part I set it and forget it.

I noticed you're using `z-shell/F-Sy-H`, "Feature-rich Syntax Highlighting for Zsh".

The `z-shell` github org has (or had) some ... bad vibes, I would personally not use any of their code.

- https://recurse.social/@dylnuge/112224580867240812

- https://www.reddit.com/r/commandline/comments/1c3r7ck/zshell...

- https://www.reddit.com/r/zsh/comments/1c3r5gn/zshellzi_users...

You could use `zsh-users/zsh-syntax-highlighting` as an alternative.

Re: Speeding up my ZSH shell

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Post by opk »

soraminazuki wrote: post #50
hdjrudni wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't want to spend ages figuring out which knobs to turn to get a half decent shell. If there's an alternative to oh-my-zsh that looks halfway decent, has that nice fzf integrated, and the 'ghost text' history suggestions, then I welcome it!

If zsh has its completion fully configured by default, there will be no need for most people to turn knobs nor will it be a "half decent shell." It'll be the best shell, if it isn't already. I wonder why ghost text history suggestions are popular though, I'd rather not have it. Shell history search works better, and I don't want my shell always showing me or whoever else is looking at the screen random commands that…

> If zsh has its completion fully configured by default, there will be no need for most people to turn knobs nor will it be a "half decent shell." It'll be the best shell, if it isn't already.

The curse of backward compatibility means that zsh does not break your setup or change things on you. And there are still developers left who bear the trauma from the one time that was tried back in the early-mid 90s in the 2.x version series. Sadly that means many new features remain inactive by default, especially anything written in shell-code like command-specific completions.

Re: Speeding up my ZSH shell

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Post by opk »

satvikpendem wrote: post #61
nadir_ishiguro wrote: post #60

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No. The author simply sees it as basically complete and decided to spend the time he has fixing bugs instead of taking care of issues.

> MOST BUGS WILL GO UNFIXED

It's just a shell prompt. There really won't be much in the way of bugs. And it's popular. Doing a quick scan of github issues, there's no shortage of questions where some other random plugin or weird terminal emulator has strange interactions. I think the author can be forgiven for not wanting to diagnose such combinations.

Re: Speeding up my ZSH shell

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Post by dolmen »

opk wrote: post #77
satvikpendem wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> MOST BUGS WILL GO UNFIXED

It's just a shell prompt. There really won't be much in the way of bugs. And it's popular. Doing a quick scan of github issues, there's no shortage of questions where some other random plugin or weird terminal emulator has strange interactions. I think the author can be forgiven for not wanting to diagnose such combinations.

As a former maintainer of LiquidPrompt I can only agree.
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