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Hacking a Toniebox

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Re: Hacking a Toniebox

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We used to have a TonieBox but I found them incredibly restrictive. Also I thought that the physical design was poor. Because the figures just sit on top of the box, you cant move it around whilst playing it or the figures just fall off and the audio stops. It was very frustrating watching my kid try to use it in the car on a long journery. Scrapped that and invested in Yoto player, its pretty much the same thing but…

Wholeheartedly agree. We have 2x Gen 3 Yotos and 2x Yoto Mini, my children (3 and 5) use them every night and my 5yo in the day time, the Minis are stored for when we travel.

We were aware of Tonie before Yoto because our children's friends had them and we decided to go Yoto instead, they're amazingly simple, the app is great with well thought out features, and we've even convinced some of those families with Tonies to switch to Yoto and they've also been very happy.

There's a pretty good market for second hand Yoto cards too in the UK though don't expect much in the way of deals, many of them sell for RRP or higher, though we have found some cards our 5yo really wanted but are only available in the US by buying them second hand.

When my 5yo was about 3 we gave her a CD player and bought lots of CDs, funnily she grew to think that was the height of cutting edge technology and digital (virtual) audio was the old tech. Needless to say, the CDs didn't last in the hands of a 3yo, then followed by a little sibling, they ended up scratched to pieces and wouldn't play any more, the card based approach of Yoto is much more suitable for young children, and the kids are learning lots, they particularly love the audio adventures.

As much as I'd love to hack the thing, I feel the same way another commentor does, that it shouldn't be touched, though I did manage to grab the URL from my OPNSense for the night time radio so I can stream it in my office because it's pretty good.

I am a little cautious that the cards only contain a URL and we don't actually have copies of any of the audio for the cards we've bought (other than what's in the device's cache); we have somewhere in the region of 200+ cards now; which is quite an investment, and it's very much at the mercy of Yoto and their servers remaining active and accessible.

Re: Hacking a Toniebox

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post #6

I just bought a Yoto Mini for my one year old daughter, she loves it already. I prefer the format of cards over small figurines, and it seems doable to use standard NFC cards and associate them with content I own. I'd vastly prefer being able to load an SD card in it instead of having it connect to the wifi, though.

> and it seems doable to use standard NFC cards and associate them with content I own

It's not, I've tried.

When you buy their blank cards (~£2 each last I checked) they come with a unique URI pre-flashed, that contains a form of unique identifier, what you're buying when you buy their blank cards is a licence (to the online storage, 500MB I think), when you scan it, it activates on your account and you now have a physical card linked to a virtual card/allowance; though you can also link existing digital cards (already scanned on your phone) to a physical card (still has to be one of theirs), in which case you don't benefit from the storage.

I ripped one of my daughter's favourite CDs and uploaded it through the app to link to a blank card I bought from Yoto.

Re: Hacking a Toniebox

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Like many others in threads like this, I initially felt repelled. It’s restrictive, it’s super expensive, and I dislike some (though not all) of the design choices. But then I remind myself: it’s not a product made for me. I don’t have to like it. Clearly, the target group loves it. My kids have adored it for years. Even now, with my oldest having access to Spotify Kids, she still prefers her Toniebox in the evening…

> But then I remind myself: it’s not a product made for me. I don’t have to like it. That’s not the point of the article, though. It never says it’s not a good product. The issue is not that, it’s that it is a disposable product : the day the company behind it closes or decides to unplug the wires, the toniebox instantly becomes a paperweight. That’s at least an ecological issue, but also a moral issue. I think it’s…

> The figurines could have had some mb of embedded memory, it’s not like they were cheap to buy.

Unfortunately, all memory degrades over time, especially the "modern" multi-level flash chips.

The fact these things work at all is a miracle of engineering and binning.

Re: Hacking a Toniebox

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post #6

I just bought a Yoto Mini for my one year old daughter, she loves it already. I prefer the format of cards over small figurines, and it seems doable to use standard NFC cards and associate them with content I own. I'd vastly prefer being able to load an SD card in it instead of having it connect to the wifi, though.

> and it seems doable to use standard NFC cards and associate them with content I own It's not, I've tried. When you buy their blank cards (~£2 each last I checked) they come with a unique URI pre-flashed, that contains a form of unique identifier, what you're buying when you buy their blank cards is a licence (to the online storage, 500MB I think), when you scan it, it activates on your account and you now have a ph…

This is not my experience. I purchased blank NFC cards and made myself this guide to get them working just fine:

1. Use NXP TagWriter to format card to NDEF format. 2. Use Smart NFC tools app to copy from existing MyYo card to new one. 3. Using the Yoto app, Play the playlist on the target Yoto. This will trigger the tracks to download onto the YoTo. 4. Make sure all tracks are downloaded onto Yoto before inserting new card.

Smart NFC tools: https://apps.apple.com/ca/app/smart-nfc-tools-read-write/id1...

NXP Tag writer: https://apps.apple.com/ca/app/nfc-tagwriter-by-nxp/id1246143...

After a few years now with two kids using Yoto, however, I think it is a little overkill to go this route and the reduced friction of using Yoto’s own cards makes it worth it, despite the cost. But this may help others who use them differently than we do!

Re: Hacking a Toniebox

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and it seems doable to use standard NFC cards and associate them with content I own It's not, I've tried. When you buy their blank cards (~£2 each last I checked) they come with a unique URI pre-flashed, that contains a form of unique identifier, what you're buying when you buy their blank cards is a licence (to the online storage, 500MB I think), when you scan it, it activates on your account and you now have a ph…

This is not my experience. I purchased blank NFC cards and made myself this guide to get them working just fine: 1. Use NXP TagWriter to format card to NDEF format. 2. Use Smart NFC tools app to copy from existing MyYo card to new one. 3. Using the Yoto app, Play the playlist on the target Yoto. This will trigger the tracks to download onto the YoTo. 4. Make sure all tracks are downloaded onto Yoto before inserting n…

You can also purchase NFC stickers. I recently did a slightly similar project: https://chrisbergeron.com/2022/01/08/time-tracking-with-a-di...

Re: Hacking a Toniebox

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and it seems doable to use standard NFC cards and associate them with content I own It's not, I've tried. When you buy their blank cards (~£2 each last I checked) they come with a unique URI pre-flashed, that contains a form of unique identifier, what you're buying when you buy their blank cards is a licence (to the online storage, 500MB I think), when you scan it, it activates on your account and you now have a ph…

This is not my experience. I purchased blank NFC cards and made myself this guide to get them working just fine: 1. Use NXP TagWriter to format card to NDEF format. 2. Use Smart NFC tools app to copy from existing MyYo card to new one. 3. Using the Yoto app, Play the playlist on the target Yoto. This will trigger the tracks to download onto the YoTo. 4. Make sure all tracks are downloaded onto Yoto before inserting n…

This unlocked something very special for us. We have a card for each parent, grandparent and many others reading books to our 3 year old. It's very easy to link a blank nfc card to a playlist that corresponds to the reader. He loves picking a family member after we finish books to read more while he falls asleep.

https://www.reddit.com/r/YotoPlayer/s/YZq49FRFys

Re: Hacking a Toniebox

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post #6

I just bought a Yoto Mini for my one year old daughter, she loves it already. I prefer the format of cards over small figurines, and it seems doable to use standard NFC cards and associate them with content I own. I'd vastly prefer being able to load an SD card in it instead of having it connect to the wifi, though.

> and it seems doable to use standard NFC cards and associate them with content I own It's not, I've tried. When you buy their blank cards (~£2 each last I checked) they come with a unique URI pre-flashed, that contains a form of unique identifier, what you're buying when you buy their blank cards is a licence (to the online storage, 500MB I think), when you scan it, it activates on your account and you now have a ph…

Are you sure of that? One of the replies you got matches what I had found on Reddit before buying. Both could be right I guess, all the standard blank cards made from the same Yoto blank use the same 500MB storage chunk.

Re: Hacking a Toniebox

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A similar product which hasn’t been mentioned yet is the Tigerbox. This works with cards similar to Yoto, but also offers a full library subscription, like a kids music and audioplay flatrate. Our kids love it. They also have an app as an alternative player, which is super useful on long carrides. And you can store music for offline usage on the box as well.

Yes, it’s not selfhosted and autonomous. But it’s a pretty neat service.

Re: Hacking a Toniebox

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post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and it seems doable to use standard NFC cards and associate them with content I own It's not, I've tried. When you buy their blank cards (~£2 each last I checked) they come with a unique URI pre-flashed, that contains a form of unique identifier, what you're buying when you buy their blank cards is a licence (to the online storage, 500MB I think), when you scan it, it activates on your account and you now have a ph…

Are you sure of that? One of the replies you got matches what I had found on Reddit before buying. Both could be right I guess, all the standard blank cards made from the same Yoto blank use the same 500MB storage chunk.

Interesting. But can they contain different tracks? The goal was to rip various CDs with 1 card each.
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