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Re: Surprise: People hate being forced to use Facebook

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Post by bicknergseng »

nostromo wrote: post #5
mvanveen wrote: post #4

Given the overwhelming sample size of 37, I think we can all agree that this is statistically significant information which one should base big platform decisions on.

You might have missed the second half of the post: > This is a better test, because the signup screen offers both options with equal weight and we have over 70,000 organic signups.

Still wasted the first half of the article talking about the results of a 37 person survey. 37 people with no demographics info at all is so anecdotal that it's effectively worthless.

As far as the second test goes, of course the general trend will be younger people who actually use Facebook will not mind... using Facebook.

Re: Surprise: People hate being forced to use Facebook

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Post by bicknergseng »

aretiste wrote: post #34

"Dumb fucks" - Mark Zuckerberg on Facebook users You can trust Facebook. Why wouldn't you? Facebook is lovely.

Heard similar language from Google... and Apple... and MS... and ...

The idea that you should or shouldn't "trust" a company...

Re: Surprise: People hate being forced to use Facebook

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Post by aretiste »

bicknergseng wrote: post #62
aretiste wrote: post #34

"Dumb fucks" - Mark Zuckerberg on Facebook users You can trust Facebook. Why wouldn't you? Facebook is lovely.

Heard similar language from Google... and Apple... and MS... and ... The idea that you should or shouldn't "trust" a company...

It's just unusual if you think about it. It helps to have been alive in a time before the web was significant. Think of all the companies you give personal information to. Think of how much information you actually give them. Think about what they are permitted to do with that information.

Then think about sending a list of all your friends, family, colleagues, your personal thoughts and commnications on personal matters, to a random, characteristically anti-social CS major you've never met. It's just plain weird. And Zuckerberg was absolutely right in what he said: we're dumb to do it. The problem is this didn't phase him one bit. He went right ahead as if it was all going to be OK. And we just kept sending him more and more info.

Granted, Facebook calls itself a company, and the situation has grown quite large and complex, but I still think of Facebook as one CS student's website. It is what it is.

You send your personal info, in some cases more personal info than you would give your personal banker, your doctor, or your lawyer, through the web to total strangers, many of them are anti-social kids like Zuckerberg, to be posted on his website.

It's a disaster waiting to happen.

Re: Surprise: People hate being forced to use Facebook

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Post by jiggy2011 »

parbo wrote: post #17
viraptor wrote: post #9

Unfortunately some companies are in bed with Facebook and it seems it gives them more than the additional users. For example Spotify - still allows only Facebook signups. The first quote on signup page is of course >. I'm definitely one who spent additional time to look for an alternative. Edit: As parbo noticed, they actually do allow email+password signups again. I completely missed the link when checking.

Actually, it is now possible to sign up with only email. Not sure if it applies to all markets, but in the US you can.

At the top of the page:

"You need a Facebook account to register for Spotify"

At the bottom of the page:

"or

Create an account using my e-mail address"

Awesome design there!

Re: Surprise: People hate being forced to use Facebook

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Post by Zenst »

I have no problem with sign in by facebook and promotions, as long as I'm given the choice or ways of logging in be that google, msn, and few others and or a local account option. When I'm not I don't use that product as I dont want a facebook account, my choice and any situation were I'm forced to I walk away. My choice.

I can undestand why so many do it, they have IT on the cheap and instead of doing a local login option you pick facebook and leave all authentication down to them and there API's. But that's there choice.

Eventualy some law will pass forceing companies to allow the user to pick which social login persona they wish to use and that will be that, repeat of the whole unbundle IE affair remixed for today playing out with social media login's. We shall see, but until then everybody has a choice they just need to execute it more often than they do.

Re: Surprise: People hate being forced to use Facebook

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Post by lwhalen »

Yes, this. A thousand times, this. Personal case in point - earbits.com. Freaking LOVE their service. I used to use their 'don't need an account' option almost daily to stream awesome new music, and I would've LOVED to create an account just to save my settings. I tried to use their Android app, and what am I presented with immediately on install? "Sign in with Facebook!" Insta-delete. I've gone to Pandora, and even though I don't get the 'new' music I'd prefer, I still pay Pandora their $30 or whatever for a similar ad-free experience.

Earbits, if you read this - PLEASE ditch the Facebook-only option. I would pay you $45 a year (50% more than what I pay Pandora) for your service, but I absolutely loathe anything having to do with Facebook, and I cannot continue to use your service if you insist on requiring them.

<3, --Me

Re: Surprise: People hate being forced to use Facebook

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Post by djacobs »

drjacobs wrote: post #56
radarsat1 wrote: post #54

So, I understand that Facebook et al are more popular options, but I am noticing that OpenID in particular is really losing momentum. Personally I really liked the idea of OpenID, so I'm just wondering, from the point of view of web developers, what is it about OpenID that makes you not want to use it? Or is it just that Facebook is overwhelmingly more popular as a login method so it's not worth it?

I think OpenID is simply not understood by enough people.

I agree. I spent a lot of time simplifying my OpenId setup so that all I had to do was type in my first name on a website and would be authenticated. I think online identity is still ripe for disruption and improvement.

Re: Surprise: People hate being forced to use Facebook

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Post by callahad »

Kilimanjaro wrote: post #58
radarsat1 wrote: post #54

So, I understand that Facebook et al are more popular options, but I am noticing that OpenID in particular is really losing momentum. Personally I really liked the idea of OpenID, so I'm just wondering, from the point of view of web developers, what is it about OpenID that makes you not want to use it? Or is it just that Facebook is overwhelmingly more popular as a login method so it's not worth it?

...and sadly BrowserID never took off.

Huh? Our first beta release is scheduled for ~2 weeks from now, and the entire idea is barely a year old. We're still quite alive and well -- come join us on GitHub (mozilla/browserid) or IRC (irc.mozilla.org/identity)! :)

Plus, Mozilla is dog-fooding Persona all over the place[1], so we're personally invested in getting this thing right and keeping it working.

[1]: Bugzilla, MDN, Etherpad, Mozillians, Metrics, Popcorn, OpenBadges, Marketplace, Add-on Builder, Flicks, and Affiliates all use Persona, with more to come.

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