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Beyond Meat fights for survival

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Re: Beyond Meat fights for survival

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Here in hill country Texas, even Walmart sells MorningStar corn dogs. H-E-B carries most of the Impossible line including meatballs. I made some dirty rice with the IF ground "beef" and it was awesome. There's almost no oil in it, browning onions and peppers required adding some avocado oil (never use olive oil for high temperature cooking). PS: I'm a lazy vegetarian who will eat a real burger every few months. When…

> When vegan parm and swiss cheese get as good as the real stuff, then I'd go vegan. Cheese I really doubt will get there any time soon. It's pretty doable to make milk-free cheese alternatives with eggs - at least in terms of taste - which is probably per gram a lot more sustainable than proper cheese, but there wouldn't be any market for it.

Can you say more? I've got milk allergies and I might want to try making this just for me.

Re: Beyond Meat fights for survival

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Why do you believe it's not healthy? Because of the processes food hysteria stuff?

By “processes food hysteria stuff”, do you mean “the growing research consensus around ultra-processed foods”?

A category that includes both twinkies and whey protein powder doesn't seem that useful.

Re: Beyond Meat fights for survival

#253
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It’s interesting that alternative meat consumption in the U.S. is struggling but taking off in Europe. One thing I noticed after moving to the UK: alternative milk is normalized here. Like, it’s so common to avoid milk that if you order coffee without specifying, you will be asked what kind of milk you want.

Here in hill country Texas, even Walmart sells MorningStar corn dogs. H-E-B carries most of the Impossible line including meatballs. I made some dirty rice with the IF ground "beef" and it was awesome. There's almost no oil in it, browning onions and peppers required adding some avocado oil (never use olive oil for high temperature cooking). PS: I'm a lazy vegetarian who will eat a real burger every few months. When…

> vegan parm

Have you tried nutritional yeast? I use it everywhere I’d put parm. The taste is a bit different but as much delicious.

Re: Beyond Meat fights for survival

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The market decides the price. We don’t need politicians and biased scientists moralizing about what we can and can’t do and what we should care about.

That’s not really how the world works. Most governments already massively subsidises their agricultural sectors to create some desired eating habits in their population. The market just adjusts prices around those subsidies. If all subsidies were removed - in order to avoid the influence of moralising politicians - people would eat a lot more potatoes, and a lot less beef.

Farm subsidies primarily happen because farmers vote. And you haven’t shown any evidence that farm subsidies privilege beef over potatoes.

Re: Beyond Meat fights for survival

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> I could buy a free range, organic and grass fed beef burger for the price of their ultra processed burger. In many countries, it's a heavily subsidized industry. Even if you have VC funds, it's not the same as being backed by country subsidies. To be clear, I'm not making a judgment, just saying that meat would probably be a lot more expensive.

I think that for this exact reason Beyond Meat (or other alternatives) need a similar boost, in order to be financially competitive as well.

Aren't they massively subsidized already? It's soybeans, after all.

Re: Beyond Meat fights for survival

#256
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These meat substitutes are UPF and that’s what you should care about more than nutritional content.

OK, we need to pick something apart here, because I see this a lot and it's annoying. UPF is not inherently bad. Some UPFs (Pasta, wholemeal bread, baked beans, probiotic yoghurts, wheat biscuit cereals), are actually good for you. The problem is that UPFs come from manufacturers who are trying to get you to buy more of their product, by playing tricks with the brain's response to it. There are food labs where people…

Regular pasta, bread, and yoghurt are processed, not ultraproccessed.

(the shelf-stable varieties are often ultraprocessed though, and are less healthy than the non ultra-processed ones)

Re: Beyond Meat fights for survival

#257

The hidden message of the title: Plant based alternatives may not succeed. I don’t believe that. I rather see more and more friends and people avoid eating meat or reduce their consumption drastically. Many buy plant based alternatives to milk as well. Twenty years ago only a few people would ask for oat/soy milk when ordering a coffee. But these days many do. I have been eating plant based meat alternatives for four…

Delicious vegetarian food is already a thing, and doesn't require new technology, and it's not necessary to completely eliminate meat-eating to significantly reduce your ethical-harm footprint. It's a matter of changing food culture. Once you adapt to an omnivore diet that contains tasty meals from both meat and non-meat cuisine, it's actually quite easy to reduce your meat intake further.

Re: Beyond Meat fights for survival

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Your experience is not universal and just because you haven't seen anybody do it doesn't mean that people haven't. If anything it is your take that is reddit tier. Nobody forces you to buy that stuff, people who want to eat that stuff do. Have you tried being any less entitled?

Considering that this manufacturer of ersatz meat is unprofitable and bordering on insolvent, it seems that people do not, empirically, want to eat it.

Re: Beyond Meat fights for survival

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As a meat eater trying to casually reduce my meat consumption, I find myself buying more tofu, lentils and beans, rather than processed meat-like substitutes. I think that is the issue. People who want to eat meat will just eat actual meat, and people who don't want to eat meat will not feel compelled to eat a meat lookalike.

> People who want to eat meat will just eat actual meat, and people who don't want to eat meat will not feel compelled to eat a meat lookalike. This is an extremely strong generalization that is obviously not true in many cases.

It doesn't have to be true of everyone to be an entirely plausible hypothesis for why highly-processed mock-meat alternatives are struggling.

Re: Beyond Meat fights for survival

#260

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No, nothing to do with hysteria. We simply have not had access to the substance long enough to be able to accurately say what the long term effects on health are and I cannot help but to assume that there has been a lot of unnatural processing in-order to turn a small, green, pea into a patty which resembles beef. Processing isn’t bad, as such. Turning beef from a steak into mince is processing and it is fine. But un…

The more common term you're looking for is "ultra-processed food"

Which types of processing exactly is implied by that, and which are not?

Where's the line drawn, is ground beef ultra processed or not? how about a chicken schnitzel? canned sardines? dark chocolate?

Which part of the ultra-processing is making the foot unhealthy, is it chemicals they add? the fact that they heat it up (but at home when you cook you also heat up stuff)? something else they do with it?

If you bake fries yourself from potatoes with olive oil, is it ultra processed?

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