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The U.S. debt outlook is so dire it now resembles the student loan crisis

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Re: The U.S. debt outlook is so dire it now resembles the student loan crisis

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Post by owl_vision »

Newlaptop wrote: post #9
throwawayqqq11 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All the bond buyers have a strategic interest that the US keeps its position of power but since this comes with unrealistic growth expectations, i cant imagine them all holding on to it. And then comes the panic selling... Trump is kind of the perfect storm, it looks almost deliberate. I wonder if right wing media will still be able control the narrative and place the blame on some other minority in all the down tren…

Where does the money go though? Europe has its own problems, and US instability will magnify them. The last 20 years have shown that China is essentially uninvestible for foreigners. Japan maybe offers relative stability but without growth. Commodities might seem like a safe haven, but will decline in value in a recession. For the pension funds, insurance companies, and sovereign wealth funds who hold the hundreds of…

Switzerland?

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Post by gtani »

Well, there's the deficit but also China's central bank has steadily reduced Treas holdings while BoJ ramps up, and other sovereigns incented to reduce if they think dollar continue to weaken or their country was running trade surplus w/US. (trying to figure out vol profile on $DXY in tradingview...)

But we are around or just over Bessent's pain points for /ZB and /zn so we'll see

Treas by central banks https://home.treasury.gov/data/treasury-international-capita...

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Post by toomuchtodo »

owl_vision wrote: post #11
Newlaptop wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where does the money go though? Europe has its own problems, and US instability will magnify them. The last 20 years have shown that China is essentially uninvestible for foreigners. Japan maybe offers relative stability but without growth. Commodities might seem like a safe haven, but will decline in value in a recession. For the pension funds, insurance companies, and sovereign wealth funds who hold the hundreds of…

Switzerland?

Eurobonds until India and/or Africa have economies with sovereign debt with similar risk.

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Post by asacrowflies »

bdangubic wrote: post #7
the_real_cher wrote: post #6

The big beautiful bill that passed a few weeks ago go gave massive tax cuts to the rich while reducing social safety nets and increasing the deficit by 5 trillion. Both parties are hell bent on flying this country into a mountain. Maybe Elon's third party can do something.

there is a whole lot of options as to what is next for america except that fucking elon musk is involved in any way. better chance of him being arrested and sent to el salvador :)

Yeah I'd rather have the country go full commie and nationalize everything he owns and strip him if citizenship and deport back to South Africa than his party "save us"..... At least we have some experience with communist governments and the path to recovery

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Post by the_real_cher »

e40 wrote: post #8
the_real_cher wrote: post #6

The big beautiful bill that passed a few weeks ago go gave massive tax cuts to the rich while reducing social safety nets and increasing the deficit by 5 trillion. Both parties are hell bent on flying this country into a mountain. Maybe Elon's third party can do something.

“Both parties“ did not do this. A single party did this. Not acknowledging this is part of the problem.

there's objective data that shows the debt is bipartisan

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2013/09/27/chart-of-...

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Post by e40 »

the_real_cher wrote: post #16
e40 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Both parties“ did not do this. A single party did this. Not acknowledging this is part of the problem.

there's objective data that shows the debt is bipartisan https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2013/09/27/chart-of-...

> The big beautiful bill that passed a few weeks ago go gave massive tax cuts to the rich while reducing social safety nets and increasing the deficit by 5 trillion.

You changed the subject from the BBB to the overall debt. The BBB was not bipartisan legislation.

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Post by Greyfoscam »

asacrowflies wrote: post #15
bdangubic wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

there is a whole lot of options as to what is next for america except that fucking elon musk is involved in any way. better chance of him being arrested and sent to el salvador :)

Yeah I'd rather have the country go full commie and nationalize everything he owns and strip him if citizenship and deport back to South Africa than his party "save us"..... At least we have some experience with communist governments and the path to recovery

Do you honestly think the government would stop at His holdings once that floodgate is opened. Feinstein selling US post office properties via her Husband to friends and business partners with government oversight removed because of her status at Hundreds of millions below market value to while tacking on a 6% commission is how that would go. The further intimidation that any business that contributed to the ruling politica parties opponents would face the same result is probably the next result. This would be an extremely bad road to travel down

Re: The U.S. debt outlook is so dire it now resembles the student loan crisis

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Post by asacrowflies »

Greyfoscam wrote: post #18
asacrowflies wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I'd rather have the country go full commie and nationalize everything he owns and strip him if citizenship and deport back to South Africa than his party "save us"..... At least we have some experience with communist governments and the path to recovery

Do you honestly think the government would stop at His holdings once that floodgate is opened. Feinstein selling US post office properties via her Husband to friends and business partners with government oversight removed because of her status at Hundreds of millions below market value to while tacking on a 6% commission is how that would go. The further intimidation that any business that contributed to the ruling p…

I don't see another option. We already have the gov going down far worse roads of papers please and secret police. I at least want the some of these corrupt rich people to go down with the ship.

I used to view the mcarthy era of communist purges as a bad thing that harmed many innocents. But if we are going to throw out due process and habeus corpus anyway? I want the MAGA and donors like musk hunted like any communist was. And their children and grandchildren on watchlists . Just like the commies.

Re: The U.S. debt outlook is so dire it now resembles the student loan crisis

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Post by the_real_cher »

e40 wrote: post #17
the_real_cher wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

there's objective data that shows the debt is bipartisan https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2013/09/27/chart-of-...

> The big beautiful bill that passed a few weeks ago go gave massive tax cuts to the rich while reducing social safety nets and increasing the deficit by 5 trillion. You changed the subject from the BBB to the overall debt. The BBB was not bipartisan legislation.

Oh i see the issue. I agree with you BBB is 100% on the Repubs, making it one of if not the biggest deficit increase in history.. from a party who campaigns on fiscal responsibility....

The dems also increase the deficit but at least they dont lie about their intentions.

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