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Beyond Meat fights for survival

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Re: Beyond Meat fights for survival

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So the biggest problem here is that Beyond Meat has a huge debt due in just 2 years: That’s a problem given that $1 billion in convertible bonds come due in March 2027. Beyond Meat has no way to repay that debt, and the credit markets know it: The bonds currently trade at about 17 cents on the dollar. To put the "$1B" number into the context, Beyond Meat sold $300M worth of plant-based meats last year, and made a net…

And this as well:

> The company expects the figure to reach about $330 million in 2025, roughly 10% higher than it was six years earlier despite a huge increase in the number of products offered.

It’s not like they have any growth potential to speak of that would enable them to service that debt.

It’s a bit hard to see who their target market is or, rather, it’s a bit hard to see that the market segment they’re aiming for is big enough for them to grow at an appreciable rate. To me it reads like they just didn’t do their homework up-front - e.g., an in depth segmentation - in determining their addressable market.

Vegetarians and vegans I know want protein sources in their diets but they don’t necessarily want meat substitutes, so perhaps BM’s products aren’t that appealing to them.

Meat eaters possibly have low awareness of BM and, unless they’re particularly principled - and wealthy enough to absorb the additional cost - are unlikely to pay the same price, or more (at least here in the UK), for meat substitutes than they’d pay for actual meat.

Moreover, people I know who are trying to cut down on meat, like their veggie and vegan counterparts, mostly aren’t looking for meat substitutes in their meat-free meals either.

If BM’s products were more affordable and better advertised they’d have a better chance at widespread adoption but it’s very hard to plot a route from where they are now to there. Also, this doesn’t solve for the portion of the market who aren’t looking for explicitly meaty meat substitutes.

As you say, it does appear hopeless.

(FWIW, I’ve eaten BM burgers on several occasions. They’re excellent but I’m not normally willing to pay the premium for them versus actual beef patties, or making our own.)

Re: Beyond Meat fights for survival

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Why do you believe it's not healthy? Because of the processes food hysteria stuff?

It's not hysteria. Beyond Meat uses way too much processing in their food. They literally have patented processes to alter protein structures.

> They literally have patented processes to alter protein structures.

This is like saying "the main chemical in vaccines is just one atom from bleach!"

In that it informs absolutely nothing, is true, and sounds scary.

The main chemical in vaccines being water: H2O -> H2O2; and the processes humans have been using for millennia to alter protein structures being "cooking", "mixing it with alcohol or vinegar", or "adding lots of salt".

Unfortunately, patents being what they are, even if you linked me to the patent in question I expect it to be borderline incomprehensible, which is definitely the opposite of reassuring for anyone who cares about health.

Re: Beyond Meat fights for survival

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That’s a funny way to say genocide

Like the one the aztecs regularly unleashed upon their neighbors? Or any pre-colonial tribe in the Americas or Africa (in this case up until this day really). What did the Romans brought us really?

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Re: Beyond Meat fights for survival

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Is this really a problem with Beyond Meat or a problem with our policies not correctly pricing meat due to not caring about the environment or animal welfare?

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Why do so many people ask this question about burgers? It's a fried patty. Even for the meat kind, there's essentially no resemblance to the original animal.

Re: Beyond Meat fights for survival

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It's not hysteria. Beyond Meat uses way too much processing in their food. They literally have patented processes to alter protein structures.

What I mean is that clearly processed foods aren't harmful because they are processed. All the correlations go away when you control for basic things like sugar and vegetable consumption. The whole idea that processed foods are bad for health is a hysteria.

> clearly processed foods aren't harmful because they are processed

The processing is done with a purpose.

> All the correlations go away when you control for basic things like sugar and vegetable consumption

Source?

Processed food is, in a sense, pre digested. The simple fact that e.g. starches and sugars are unbound from the cells that contained them before any of it hits the mucous linings of your mouth and duodenum dramatically changes the food’s physiological effects. And it’s difficult to undo the gastric, gastrobiomic, metabolic, cellular and other effects of UPFs with an otherwise-healthy diet.

Re: Beyond Meat fights for survival

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So the biggest problem here is that Beyond Meat has a huge debt due in just 2 years: That’s a problem given that $1 billion in convertible bonds come due in March 2027. Beyond Meat has no way to repay that debt, and the credit markets know it: The bonds currently trade at about 17 cents on the dollar. To put the "$1B" number into the context, Beyond Meat sold $300M worth of plant-based meats last year, and made a net…

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Re: Beyond Meat fights for survival

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I think that for this exact reason Beyond Meat (or other alternatives) need a similar boost, in order to be financially competitive as well.

That's a political decision that needs to be applied to the alternative protein industry. However, given the current political climate and the acceptance of disinformation, that's going to be challenging.

Indeed, and indeed.

Re: Beyond Meat fights for survival

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The hidden message of the title: Plant based alternatives may not succeed. I don’t believe that. I rather see more and more friends and people avoid eating meat or reduce their consumption drastically. Many buy plant based alternatives to milk as well. Twenty years ago only a few people would ask for oat/soy milk when ordering a coffee. But these days many do. I have been eating plant based meat alternatives for four…

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Seems to be a lot more forcing happening around your parts than mine.

Re: Beyond Meat fights for survival

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Interesting, in Britain it's completely the opposite. Alternative milk is way more expensive.

Same in Germany (~1€/l for milk, 2€/l for pretty much all milk replacements. You can obviously buy more expensive milk to, which would give it price parity... But there are also more expensive replacement products. On average, the replacement products cost about 50-100% more. The only way to save money via vegetarian meals is by making everything yourself and not the finished products from the supermarkets (at that p…

Yesterday I bought some oat-based milk-like at Aldi for 90c/l (regular price). It's labeled "oat drink", so might not substitute milk. The (literal) "almost milk" product is listed online for 1,09€/l. They also had options based on other stuff for a similar price.

First time I noticed them there, but mind I don't go to Aldi that often.

Re: Beyond Meat fights for survival

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post #209

The hidden message of the title: Plant based alternatives may not succeed. I don’t believe that. I rather see more and more friends and people avoid eating meat or reduce their consumption drastically. Many buy plant based alternatives to milk as well. Twenty years ago only a few people would ask for oat/soy milk when ordering a coffee. But these days many do. I have been eating plant based meat alternatives for four…

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Your experience is not universal and just because you haven't seen anybody do it doesn't mean that people haven't. If anything it is your take that is reddit tier. Nobody forces you to buy that stuff, people who want to eat that stuff do. Have you tried being any less entitled?
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