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Mushroom learns to crawl after being given robot body (2024)

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Re: Mushroom learns to crawl after being given robot body (2024)

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Post by BalinKing »

akdor1154 wrote: post #14
SequoiaHope wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regarding the turtle and the goldfish, how can we really say these animals learned how to operate these things? I’m not sure I’d be able to tell the difference between a goldfish just swimming around the tank like normal versus one swimming around the tank with intention.

I assume a fish that didn’t understand what was going on would just run into walls? Or at most just move towards lights?

The top-level comment indeed says that the fish was bumping into things like a Roomba, so I’m also skeptical....

Re: Mushroom learns to crawl after being given robot body (2024)

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Post by trhway »

BalinKing wrote: post #21
akdor1154 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assume a fish that didn’t understand what was going on would just run into walls? Or at most just move towards lights?

The top-level comment indeed says that the fish was bumping into things like a Roomba, so I’m also skeptical....

judge for yourself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nhp7U0rwdM

Re: Mushroom learns to crawl after being given robot body (2024)

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Post by whoknowsidont »

Legend2440 wrote: post #7

I’m skeptical that the mushroom is in any way “learning to crawl”. It looks more like the mushroom naturally produces signals in response to light, and the robot triggers a walk cycle when it sees that signal.

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Re: Mushroom learns to crawl after being given robot body (2024)

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Post by istjohn »

lioeters wrote: post #9

Not sure about this particular experiment, but there is certainly interesting potential in integrating biological organisms (or parts thereof) with larger robotic and mechanical systems. Recently I saw a video of a turtle which was given a skateboard. It quickly learned how to zip around the house, chasing the cat, etc. It was a simple demostration of how technology, even as primitive as the wheel, can augment the ab…

Also see Project Pigeon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Pigeon

Re: Mushroom learns to crawl after being given robot body (2024)

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Post by literalAardvark »

whoknowsidont wrote: post #25
Legend2440 wrote: post #7

I’m skeptical that the mushroom is in any way “learning to crawl”. It looks more like the mushroom naturally produces signals in response to light, and the robot triggers a walk cycle when it sees that signal.

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Still, a child telling their parent to walk isn't actually walking.

It could easily not even know what walking means, just know that there's food when it tells mom to go to the kitchen.

I used to ask my grandmother for "plain water" because she always brought me milk. I was very disappointed when I asked someone else for plain water, because I had no idea why grandma's was better.

Re: Mushroom learns to crawl after being given robot body (2024)

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Post by lioeters »

trhway wrote: post #23
BalinKing wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The top-level comment indeed says that the fish was bumping into things like a Roomba, so I’m also skeptical....

judge for yourself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nhp7U0rwdM

Oh that's a more proper study than the amateur experiment I saw.

> For this purpose, we trained goldfish to use a Fish Operated Vehicle (FOV), a wheeled terrestrial platform that reacts to the fish’s movement characteristics, location and orientation in its water tank to change the vehicle’s; i.e., the water tank’s, position in the arena.

> The fish were tasked to “drive” the FOV towards a visual target in the terrestrial environment, which was observable through the walls of the tank, and indeed were able to operate the vehicle, explore the new environment, and reach the target regardless of the starting point, all while avoiding dead-ends and correcting location inaccuracies.

From fish out of water to new insights on navigation mechanisms in animals - https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S01664...

Re: Mushroom learns to crawl after being given robot body (2024)

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Post by lisper »

literalAardvark wrote: post #27
whoknowsidont wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Still, a child telling their parent to walk isn't actually walking. It could easily not even know what walking means, just know that there's food when it tells mom to go to the kitchen. I used to ask my grandmother for "plain water" because she always brought me milk. I was very disappointed when I asked someone else for plain water, because I had no idea why grandma's was better.

> a child telling their parent to walk isn't actually walking.

How is that any different from a brain telling its body to walk?

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