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In my ideal world, the main priority post-revolution would be to freeze development and prioritize saving our climate so we keep having a livable planet - green energy, public transport, etc etc. Once that monumental task is done (and this is where we might disagree, but I'd be curious to hear your thoughts - my position there is not very firm!) I feel like looking at AI again - while keeping environmental constraint…
If some bright young person (or more realistically some sequence of bright young people building on each other's work) were to devise a plausible method to control an AI such that it stays under human control even if it become much more cognitively capable than the most capable people, then I would be OK with going ahead with AI research. I don't think most readers here realize just how little control the AI labs hav…
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#52International politics is revealing itself to operate on the principles of the mafia, where basically everything is leverage and where 'imposing costs' is the primary tool of discipline. Perhaps,'twas ever thus and Trump's main crime is being so crude about it that deniability is no longer plausible
> is revealing itself Not really a revelation though. The ones with most of the power always leveraged any tool they had at their disposal to have their way and press everyone else into compliance. Sometimes it's carrot, sometimes it's stick. And they always applied rules selectively based not on what but on who . Just like the mafia, carving out special rules and dispensations for themselves. Interference in other c…
Would recommend reading chapters 2 & 3 of this, on early 60s grappling with how to achieve arms control between antagonistic and equivalent powers, via constructing scenarios where it’s in mutual self-interest: https://archive.org/details/armscontroldisar013124mbp/page/n...
It’s been a while since Americans have had to burn brain power to solve problems like this, but it has happened before.
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#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
If some bright young person (or more realistically some sequence of bright young people building on each other's work) were to devise a plausible method to control an AI such that it stays under human control even if it become much more cognitively capable than the most capable people, then I would be OK with going ahead with AI research. I don't think most readers here realize just how little control the AI labs hav…
I think we are in agreement then. Welcome to the Popular Front [0], comrade ;) [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_front
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#54Trump has already tried to use pressure to help Bolsonaro by announcing a 50% tariff on goods from Latin America’s No. 1 economy Apparently this (fueled by family members lobbying) has backfired in Brazil as members of Bolsonaro's base are disaponted by what is perceived as his anti national behaviour.
Bolsonaro was the one who revived brazilian nationalism against all odds. Lula and his communists likened it to Nazi Germany and made it their explicit goal to destroy said nationalism. Now that the USA is sanctioning them, they're appealing to nationalism? They shit all over the military then call upon them when their "sovereignty" is threatened? That's hilarious, comical.
I for one would very much rather see this country burn than see it governed by the unelected courts. Maybe then a nation that's actually worthy of nationalism will rise from its ashes.
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Wait, so you're saying the crackdown on Bolsonaro is fine and ethically 100 percent ok? Sounds like you know more about it than me. Can you explain?
If anything it’s way too mild. I meant the guy had a concrete plan to topple democracy, assassinate other leaders and bring back dictatorship. People like this should be thrown into prison for the rest of their lives.
You do realize the supreme court has been grabbing power since 2019 and by now is essentially running the country, right? A few days ago they once again walked all over our elected congress. Our institutions exist to give people the illusion of democracy. In fact, these unelected judges have usurped the powers of the legislative and executive branches of government. They are judge-kings.
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I don't disagree. Liberal Democracy inevitably leads to corporate capture and then Fascism, as the US is demonstrating beautifully right now. The ideal form of government is Titoism, with strong repression of regressive forces.
> Liberal Democracy inevitably leads to corporate capture Does it? Is this a major problem in say Sweden, or Switzerland, or New Zealand?
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Wait, so you're saying the crackdown on Bolsonaro is fine and ethically 100 percent ok? Sounds like you know more about it than me. Can you explain?
So did Bolsonaro have any basis for claiming the vote against him was rigged? If he did, fair enough. There should be an investigation into the rigging. If the vote was fair, then there may be an excuse of bad advice. He should've known better, but it's possible someone lied to him. And a third option, he lied knowing well that the vote was fair. I such case this is an attempt to undermine the state and it should be…
To start with: voting machines. Surely we need not debate the problems with such technology in Hacker News of all places? I don't really need to elaborate on this matter, right?
Then there's the fact our elected congress tried to add an auditable paper trail to the machines not once but twice and in both instances was overruled by the unelected supreme court. More details here:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36543423
> There should be an investigation into the rigging.
And who would investigate such a thing?
One of the supreme court judges, Alexandre de Moraes, was also the head of the so called Electoral Court at the time. Yes, the same guy who's judging Bolsonaro now. He was in charge of the voting machines. I have videos of him proudly proclaiming that the machines are UNQUESTIONABLE. One would think he'd have the balls to publish the source code and hardware schematics and offer a billion dollar bug bounty.
> I genuinely have no idea which of these is true
I'll tell you what I saw.
In the months leading up to the 2022 elections, I personally witnessed these judges interfere with the elections in unprecedented ways. I watched them call everything Bolsonaro and his party said "fake news" and issue countless censorship orders. I view it as something of a nationwide gaslighting campaign.
Suddenly, everything was "fake news". It was "fake news" to say Lula had been imprisoned for corruption, even though he had been. It was "fake news" to say he's friends with communist dictators, even though he is. It was "fake news" to say he's the preferred candidate of the country's organized crime gangs, even though he is. They even deemed it "fake news" to say he's a communist and a socialist himself, even though there's literal video evidence of it. I watched them censor a documentary about the assassination attempt on Boldonaro as "fake news" despite the fact the documentary had not even been released yet. A priori censorship, something not seen in these lands since the military dictatorship of the 20th century.
All this happened even though in Brazil censorship is unconstitutional, especially censorship of political speech. Censorship equals dictatorship, it's that simple. People who protested this have been sent to jail already. Brazilian journalists and even streamers have sought political asylum in the USA because of these events.
People keep talking about Bolsonaro's alleged coup that never actually materialized. They ignore the silent coup perpetrated by these unelected judges. They have been relentlessly grabbing power since at least 2019. Now they have essentially usurped the legislative and the executive branches of government. Yes, they legislate and they execute. They recently decided to make social media companies liable for user content, despite actual laws to the contrary. Just a few days ago they raised taxes on the brazilian population despite our elected congress blocking the taxation.
More details about the supreme court's abuses:
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#58Trump has already tried to use pressure to help Bolsonaro by announcing a 50% tariff on goods from Latin America’s No. 1 economy Apparently this (fueled by family members lobbying) has backfired in Brazil as members of Bolsonaro's base are disaponted by what is perceived as his anti national behaviour.
"Bolsonaro's base" is doing nothing of the sort. They think these sanctions are awesome. They are absolutely necessary in a judiciary dictatorship where protesters are sent to jail as political prisoners. If anything, they're not nearly enough. Bolsonaro was the one who revived brazilian nationalism against all odds. Lula and his communists likened it to Nazi Germany and made it their explicit goal to destroy said na…
while staying in US. Funny how a lot of "nationalists" run to the mothership when something goes wrong.
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"Bolsonaro's base" is doing nothing of the sort. They think these sanctions are awesome. They are absolutely necessary in a judiciary dictatorship where protesters are sent to jail as political prisoners. If anything, they're not nearly enough. Bolsonaro was the one who revived brazilian nationalism against all odds. Lula and his communists likened it to Nazi Germany and made it their explicit goal to destroy said na…
> Bolsonaro was the one who revived brazilian nationalism against all odds while staying in US. Funny how a lot of "nationalists" run to the mothership when something goes wrong.
He's still the person who managed to revive brazilian nationalism against all odds and despite the hipocrisy. Surely that's not in dispute here?
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This “both sides” shit has to stop! They are not equivalent in their badness.
What's the alternative? "We're right and you're wrong!" That's sure to lead to more nuance and critical thought.
In Brazil, nazism is illegal but socialism and communism are not. They should be.