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Re: Known Bad Email Clients

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Post by esseph »

zettabomb wrote: post #19

I wasn't aware of Balsa or Geary, but it's interesting to note that the author has mentioned that they are affected by GNOME's culture. I also have found the GNOME devs to have issues with admitting any fault at all, security or otherwise, but I wasn't aware of them being linked to any email clients other than Evolution - which I have been using. What's a good app for Exchange on Linux? I could use the web app, which…

"Exchange on Linux"?

You are looking for a minority of a minority of a minority - People using Linux, people using an email client, people using Linux that want all the MS Exchange features.

Tons of "general" email clients out there, sure, but you're talking about a largely proprietary system.

Re: Known Bad Email Clients

#52

Post by ryandrake »

marcusb wrote: post #27
zettabomb wrote: post #19

I wasn't aware of Balsa or Geary, but it's interesting to note that the author has mentioned that they are affected by GNOME's culture. I also have found the GNOME devs to have issues with admitting any fault at all, security or otherwise, but I wasn't aware of them being linked to any email clients other than Evolution - which I have been using. What's a good app for Exchange on Linux? I could use the web app, which…

Not defending the GNOME devs as being perfect, but I'd suggest reading this from the start: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evolution/-/issues/3095 and then deciding if the author is really being affected by a "toxic development culture" at GNOME.

Honestly, I think the GNOME devs in that thread were really patient with a bug filer who kept escalating and inserting little taunting quips, and ultimately was barking up the wrong tree (project). He could have easily just accepted that the bug was in a different project, and go press that team instead. You're not going to get anywhere with such an argumentative tone.

Re: Known Bad Email Clients

#53

Post by esseph »

theyknowitsxmas wrote: post #5
tylerapplebaum wrote: post #2

Geary has been crashing with some regularity over the past few weeks anyway. Guess I’ll migrate to Thunderbird.

I have that problem. Too bad there is no html client that isn't a massive RAM hog.

Do you often run out of memory?

Want to understand this more. I know I'm talking from a position of privilege, but it's really hard to find a machine these days with less than 16 or 32GB of RAM from the factory.

Even going back several years, DDR4 has been extremely cheap for a long time, and DDR5 is finally closer to general ram prices.

Are you using mini PCs with soldered ram?

Re: Known Bad Email Clients

#54

Post by dooglius »

marcusb wrote: post #27
zettabomb wrote: post #19

I wasn't aware of Balsa or Geary, but it's interesting to note that the author has mentioned that they are affected by GNOME's culture. I also have found the GNOME devs to have issues with admitting any fault at all, security or otherwise, but I wasn't aware of them being linked to any email clients other than Evolution - which I have been using. What's a good app for Exchange on Linux? I could use the web app, which…

Not defending the GNOME devs as being perfect, but I'd suggest reading this from the start: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evolution/-/issues/3095 and then deciding if the author is really being affected by a "toxic development culture" at GNOME.

No one here comes out looking particularly good, but at the end of the day the issue is still unpatched and OP is doing a good thing spreading that information.

Re: Known Bad Email Clients

#55

Post by dotancohen »

newscracker wrote: post #33
forlorn wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thunderbird has reportedly added experimental Exchange support in 140. Though I haven't figured out how to enable and test it :)

The support is only for the EWS protocol (MS Graph will probably come next year). You can enable it in beta by going to Config Editor (this is primarily for advanced users), searching for the preference "experimental.mail.ews.enabled" and setting it to true. You would have to manually add the account. Currently only mail is supported. No calendar support. See https://blog.thunderbird.net/2025/07/thunderbird-monthly-d…

Thunderbird users who need full Exchange support today, including mail, are encouraged to try the Owl addon. I used it a few years ago, very happy with it. I think it costs between $10 and $20, not a big expense for business software.

Re: Known Bad Email Clients

#56

Post by zettabomb »

marcusb wrote: post #27
zettabomb wrote: post #19

I wasn't aware of Balsa or Geary, but it's interesting to note that the author has mentioned that they are affected by GNOME's culture. I also have found the GNOME devs to have issues with admitting any fault at all, security or otherwise, but I wasn't aware of them being linked to any email clients other than Evolution - which I have been using. What's a good app for Exchange on Linux? I could use the web app, which…

Not defending the GNOME devs as being perfect, but I'd suggest reading this from the start: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evolution/-/issues/3095 and then deciding if the author is really being affected by a "toxic development culture" at GNOME.

That issue does not really work in GNOME's favor, based on reading that I'd say they're being pretty toxic.

Re: Known Bad Email Clients

#57

Post by zettabomb »

esseph wrote: post #51
zettabomb wrote: post #19

I wasn't aware of Balsa or Geary, but it's interesting to note that the author has mentioned that they are affected by GNOME's culture. I also have found the GNOME devs to have issues with admitting any fault at all, security or otherwise, but I wasn't aware of them being linked to any email clients other than Evolution - which I have been using. What's a good app for Exchange on Linux? I could use the web app, which…

"Exchange on Linux"? You are looking for a minority of a minority of a minority - People using Linux, people using an email client, people using Linux that want all the MS Exchange features. Tons of "general" email clients out there, sure, but you're talking about a largely proprietary system.

Have to disagree, having worked at multiple companies using Exchange for their email servers but with Linux workstations. It's not so uncommon for software devs to request a Linux system, depending on the field. I'll agree that it's less common, but the issue is more the small number of people using Linux rather than Exchange.

Re: Known Bad Email Clients

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Post by zettabomb »

chucksmash wrote: post #48
marcusb wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not defending the GNOME devs as being perfect, but I'd suggest reading this from the start: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evolution/-/issues/3095 and then deciding if the author is really being affected by a "toxic development culture" at GNOME.

Reading the thread, I don't see how that's much of a defense. A GNOME foundation member going through the thread to decorate the reporter's posts with clown emoji reactions is not great. It seems reasonable to say "even if this is caused by one your library dependencies, users are using your application and you should try to find a mitigation." If you get in a wreck because your brakes fail, imagine the car manufactu…

Yeah ultimately the user doesn't install the dependencies, they install Evolution. So if there's a security issue, that's where they'll see it. There are also potential mitigation for this, for instance scrubbing the HTML (which it seems Geary actually does, just not for this).

Re: Known Bad Email Clients

#59

Post by zettabomb »

akerl_ wrote: post #42
mike-cardwell wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If only the developers of Evolution Mail made any effort to get the issue fixed in the 15 months they've known about it. It's unacceptable to sit on a privacy affecting bug like this for 15 months. This continously repeated bullshit that the source of the problem lies elsehwere is tiring. They're knowingly using a library with a security bug, and they're doing: 1. Nothing to get the devs of that library to fix it 2.…

You’re welcome to submit a request for a refund of the purchase price for Evolution. Your Gitlab issue is a textbook example of why open source devs quit. And now you’re wandering around trying to drum up a mob to further pressure people to do free work for you.

This is hardly an unreasonable request. It's exactly the right move in this case. If you don't feel like fixing anything, declare the project unmaintained and close the issue tracker.

Re: Known Bad Email Clients

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Post by kkfx »

What I fails to understand it's why no one seems to offer the most logic MUE which is essentially offering the full download/sync of all accounts maildirs, like with OfflineIMAP, than offer powerful local indexing like notmuch/mu with a pre-made UI nice for end users.

Slogan: own your own messages, own a local GMail. We have all the code except the UI

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