US revokes visas of Brazilian judges after crack down on ex-president Bolsonaro

Post by claudionaoto » Sat, Jul 19, 2025, 11:54 AM UTC

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States using courtrooms to punish people who have attempted a coup is hardly unethical, no? I have to say, it is cute to read your faux outrage over this after Bolsonaro made sure the guy with the best chances to defeat him two elections back would be put into prison in a sham trial right before the election... not persecuting a figure as corrupt and power hungry as Bolsonaro would be 100% ethically wrong.

I think you got your timeline of events in the wrong order. Bolsonaro was just a low-level congressman when Lula was convicted. Not saying that Bolsonaro has any moral high ground to stand on, though. He is as corrupt as it gets. But if anything, I'd say that his problems really started when he was already elected and colluded with the Supreme Court to get Lula out of prison in exchange of killing the investigation a…

Post by saubeidl » Sat, Jul 19, 2025, 12:34 PM UTC

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I don't disagree. Liberal Democracy inevitably leads to corporate capture and then Fascism, as the US is demonstrating beautifully right now. The ideal form of government is Titoism, with strong repression of regressive forces.

Yeah that's the problem with it. It wasn't communist and aggressive enough. Certainly everyone would have wanted it if it were.

Post by claytongulick » Sat, Jul 19, 2025, 1:47 PM UTC

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Brazilian politics are a shitshow and neither Lula nor Bolsonaro are saints. But Trump exerting pressure like this is another level.

This “both sides” shit has to stop! They are not equivalent in their badness.

Post by rglullis » Sat, Jul 19, 2025, 2:16 PM UTC

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I think you got your timeline of events in the wrong order. Bolsonaro was just a low-level congressman when Lula was convicted. Not saying that Bolsonaro has any moral high ground to stand on, though. He is as corrupt as it gets. But if anything, I'd say that his problems really started when he was already elected and colluded with the Supreme Court to get Lula out of prison in exchange of killing the investigation a…

That is false. Lula was freed because a hacker leaked the messages between the judge and the prosecutor, showing the judge's active collaboration with the prosecution. The trial was annulled. The case restarted, and they found that the evidence against him was quite weak.

Post by saubeidl » Sat, Jul 19, 2025, 4:02 PM UTC

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That's the beautiful thing, if it had been communist and aggressive, it wouldn't have mattered if the fascists wanted it or not.

>Why is everyone suddenly tearing down all our shared institutions? All we wanted to do was force a communist revolution on them!