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Franklin Community Credit Union scandal is a good example, well outlined in this youtuber's (admittedly dramatized) video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0yIGG-taFI
Is their argument documented anywhere in text, rather than an 8 minutes video?
Why is AI so slow to spread?
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Re: Why is AI so slow to spread?
#182Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I'd go so far as to say if you're not seeing any significant increase in your productivity, you're using LLMs wrong. It's always the easy cop out for whoever wants to hype AI. I can preface it with "I'd go so far as to say", but that is just a silly cover for the actual meaning. Properly reviewing code, if you are reviewing it meaningfully instead of just glancing through it, takes time. Writing good prompts that c…
GPs main point is that you (need to) learn to specify (and document) very, very well. That has always been a huge factor for productivity, but due to the fucked up nature of how software engineering is often approached on an organisational level we're collectively very much used to 'winging it': Documentation is an afterthought, specs are half baked and the true store of knowledge on the codebase is in the heads of s…
That's the thing, I do. At work we keep numerous diagrams, dashboards and design documents. It helps me and the other developers understand and and have a good mental model of the system, but it does not help LLMs all that much. The LLMs won't understand our dashboard or diagrams. It could read the design documents, but it wokdn't help it to not make the mistakes it does when coding, and definitely would not reduce my need to review the code it produces.
I said before, I'll say it again - I find it unacceptable in a professional setting to not review the code LLMs produce properly, because I have seem the sort of errors it produces (and I have access to the latest Claude and Gemini models, that I understand to be the top models as of now).
Are they useful? Yeah. Do they speed me up? Sort of, especially when I have to write a lot of boring code (as mentioned before, glue code for APIs, unit tests, scaffolding for new modules, etc). Are the productivity gains massive? Not really, due to the nature of how it generates output, and mainly due to the fact that writing code is only part of my responsibilities, and frequently not the one that takes up most of my time.
Re: Why is AI so slow to spread?
#183The reality might just be that most technology is slow to spread? But it also depends on what you mean by slow. The name ChatGPT became part of popular culture extremely quickly.
ChatGPT seems to be widely used as a search engine. No wonder Google panicked. ChatGPT isn't very accurate, but Google had been going downhill for years as well, so nothing lost there I guess.
Also when you use Google via an alternative frontend like startpage you get a slightly better version without the crap than the one currently serving at google.com. If you use Kagi which most of the time only shows results from the google search index it becomes the best quality Google ever had.
I believe it is really only the "frontend" that is responsible for the current quality and very much an intentional choice. If Google wants to be better, it could choose so tomorrow. Actually it doesn't, because it already does today, just not on a modern browser on google.com .
Re: Why is AI so slow to spread?
#184I can't be bothered to talk to my computer. I believe there is many like me. So it will take long time for us to adapt to it.
Using LLMs feels like the drawbacks of CLI, GUI and calculation by a human combined.
Re: Why is AI so slow to spread?
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Instead of taking time to understand how it may be effective, a lot of leadership decided immediately that people could take on double the work they were doing or more right out the gate as long as they use AI. I’ve seen people driven to tears in this environment right now from stress due to overwork. Everyone in my org was either burnt out or soon to be. And that overwork is from managers demanding more and more wit…
> I’ve seen people driven to tears in this environment right now from stress due to overwork. Everyone in my org was either burnt out or soon to be. And that overwork is from managers demanding more and more without any data to back up exactly how much more is reasonable. This is just bad management. AI might be the buzzword of the day that comes out of their mouths, but the issue is bad management rather than AI. Sa…
Re: Why is AI so slow to spread?
#186I have been using it for coding for some time, but I don't think I'm getting much value out of it. It's useful for some boilerplate generation, but for more complex stuff I find that it's more tedious to explain to the AI what I'm trying to do. The issue, I think, is lack of big picture context in a large codebase. It's not useless, but I wouldn't trade it for say access to StackOverflow. My non-technical friends are…
However. It doesn't mean AI will go away. AI is really useful. It can do a lot actually. It is a slow adoption because it's somehow not the most intuitive to use. I think that may have a lot to do with tooling and human communication style - or the way we use it.
Once people learn how to use it, I think it'll just become ubiquitous. I don't see it taking anyone's job. The doomers who like to say that are people pushing their own agenda, trolling, or explaining away mass layoffs that were happening BEFORE AI. The layoffs are a result of losing a tax credit for R&D, over hiring, and the economy. Forgetting the tax thing for a moment, is anyone really surprised that companies over hired?? I mean come on. People BARELY do any work at all at large companies like Google, Apple, Amazon, etc. I mean that not quite fair. Don't get me wrong, SOME people there do. They work their tails off and do great things. That's not all of the company's employees though. So what do you expect is going to happen? Eventually the company prunes. They go and mass hire again years later, see who works out, and they prune again. This strategy is why hiring is broken. It's a horrible grind.
Sorry, back to AI adoption. AI is now seen by some caught in this grind as the "enemy." So that's another reason for slow adoption. A big one.
It does work though. I can see how it'll help and I think it's great. If you know how everything gets put together then you can provide the instructions for it to work well. If you don't, then you're not going to get great results. Sorry, if you don't know how software is built, what good code looks like, AND you don't "rub it the right way." Or as people say "prompt engineering."
I think for writing blog posts, getting info, it's easier. Though there's EXTREME dangers with it for other use cases. It can give incredibly dangerous medical advice. My wife is a psychiatrist and she's been keeping an eye on it, testing it, etc. To date AI has done more to harm people than it has help them in terms of mental health. It's also too inaccurate to use for mental health as well. So that field isn't adopting it so quickly. BUT they are trying and experimenting. It's just going to take some time and rightfully so. They don't want to rush start using something that hasn't been tested and validated. That's an understaffed field though, so I'm sure they will love any productivity gain and help they can get.
All said, I don't know what "slow" means for adoption. It feels like it's progressing quickly.
Re: Why is AI so slow to spread?
#187I have been using it for coding for some time, but I don't think I'm getting much value out of it. It's useful for some boilerplate generation, but for more complex stuff I find that it's more tedious to explain to the AI what I'm trying to do. The issue, I think, is lack of big picture context in a large codebase. It's not useless, but I wouldn't trade it for say access to StackOverflow. My non-technical friends are…
One of the issues certainly is that Stackoverflow is absolutely over. Within the last twelve months the number of users just fell off a cliff.
But yes, AI put the nail in its coffin. Sadly, ironically, AI trained off it. I mean AI quite literally stole from Stackoverflow and others and somehow got away with it.
That's why I don't really admire people like Sam Altman or the whack job doomer at Anthropic whatever his name is. They're crooks.
Re: Why is AI so slow to spread?
#188Re: Why is AI so slow to spread?
#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is their argument documented anywhere in text, rather than an 8 minutes video?
ask chatgpt to summarize
> I'm currently unable to fetch data directly from YouTube due to a tool issue. This means I can't access the transcript, timestamps, or metadata from the video at this time.