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Re: The Israeli "art student" mystery (2002)

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Post by dogma1138 »

throwawayQuwcy wrote: post #27
dogma1138 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Keep in mind that Gerald Shea was a lawyer (DA in California at the time he wrote this) without access to any official information this isn’t an official document, it’s something that a person wrote on their own and submitted it. This is very much bordering on conspiracy theories…

Thanks for the info on Gerald Shea! Though if you'd like to comment on the "Shea Memorandum" / Gerald Shea I think that would be more appropriate on the parent comment? A question was asked, I answered with the relevant quote from the paper, you replied "conspiracy theory" on that specific quote & ad-hominem'ed the author? Calling "conspiracy theory" is not good-faith discussion and employs a number of logical fallac…

Nothing in that “memorandum” is actually backed by any evidence, it’s the unofficial work of a single individual who neither has had intelligence experience nor access to any intelligence material.

It is fan fiction not an official document, hence why it was rejected at its time for the nonsense it is, but I guess the daily stormer is cool these days.

Re: The Israeli "art student" mystery (2002)

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Post by guiriduro »

dogma1138 wrote: post #31
throwawayQuwcy wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for the info on Gerald Shea! Though if you'd like to comment on the "Shea Memorandum" / Gerald Shea I think that would be more appropriate on the parent comment? A question was asked, I answered with the relevant quote from the paper, you replied "conspiracy theory" on that specific quote & ad-hominem'ed the author? Calling "conspiracy theory" is not good-faith discussion and employs a number of logical fallac…

Nothing in that “memorandum” is actually backed by any evidence, it’s the unofficial work of a single individual who neither has had intelligence experience nor access to any intelligence material. It is fan fiction not an official document, hence why it was rejected at its time for the nonsense it is, but I guess the daily stormer is cool these days.

You did not answer the question. Its irrelevant who Shea is or what you assume about his circumstances, if the evidence discussed is well-sourced. Which reported evidence in the Shea report are you contending is false (or not asserted in contemporaneous sources cited in the document), and why?

Re: The Israeli "art student" mystery (2002)

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Post by dogma1138 »

guiriduro wrote: post #32
dogma1138 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing in that “memorandum” is actually backed by any evidence, it’s the unofficial work of a single individual who neither has had intelligence experience nor access to any intelligence material. It is fan fiction not an official document, hence why it was rejected at its time for the nonsense it is, but I guess the daily stormer is cool these days.

You did not answer the question. Its irrelevant who Shea is or what you assume about his circumstances, if the evidence discussed is well-sourced. Which reported evidence in the Shea report are you contending is false (or not asserted in contemporaneous sources cited in the document), and why?

None of the evidence is sourced yet alone well sourced…

Re: The Israeli "art student" mystery (2002)

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Post by like_any_other »

anonymousiam wrote: post #30
like_any_other wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> other outlets (such as The Washington Post) were actively trying to discredit or sabotage their work. This is news to me. Can you share more about it, articles published, etc..?

Did you read the article? -- Still, the U.S. press was uninterested. Just one day after the Le Monde report, the Washington Post ran a story on March 6 that seemed to put the whole thing to rest. Headlined “Reports of Israeli Spy Ring Dismissed,” the piece, by John Mintz and Dan Eggen, opened with official denials from a “wide array of U.S. officials” and quoted Justice Department spokeswoman Susan Dryden as saying,…

> Did you read the article?

I did not, and I read your comment very sloppily it seems - thank you for answering anyway :)

Re: The Israeli "art student" mystery (2002)

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Post by yencabulator »

telagraphic wrote: post #2

Check out the Shea Memorandum, see page 53 in the PDF for the detailed short summary of points. https://www.yale64.org/news/shea.pdf

Is there some connection between infiltrating the DEA offices and spying on the 9/11 terrorists, or did those just happen to be two unrelated Mossad missions happening at the same time?

I'm trying to understand Mossad' interest in the DEA.

Re: The Israeli "art student" mystery (2002)

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Post by quotz »

EGreg wrote: post #14

I remember seeing Fox News segments about how Israeli spies probably knew something like 9/11 was going to happen, but didn't inform the Americans. There was a 4-part series, here are all the parts I think: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euoHYWD5C_U Direct quote around 4:30 but it's all interesting. =================== Actually, I will add a few more mainstream sources (no conspiracies, only official published resul…

Where did you learn about all this info? Is there a website / medium tracking this? Maybe wiki?

Re: The Israeli "art student" mystery (2002)

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Post by EGreg »

quotz wrote: post #36
EGreg wrote: post #14

I remember seeing Fox News segments about how Israeli spies probably knew something like 9/11 was going to happen, but didn't inform the Americans. There was a 4-part series, here are all the parts I think: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euoHYWD5C_U Direct quote around 4:30 but it's all interesting. =================== Actually, I will add a few more mainstream sources (no conspiracies, only official published resul…

Where did you learn about all this info? Is there a website / medium tracking this? Maybe wiki?

Nope it was all me baby

Seriously, though, just being online and having a good memory for stuff like this. And watching people like Ben Swann, reading wikipedia etc. Literally two of the links are on wikipedia

I don’t just watch once source, I look at different viewpoints, especially because some of my friends wanted to debate stuff like 9/11. Like for example I looked at the Popular Mechanics issue that did an overview of physics. I wondered if Assad actually gassed his own people, or whoat happened with the Kakhovka dam, etc.

I guess I like to have a healthy skepticism of official narratives, but also try to stay away from conspiracy theories and thus enjoy collecting proven things that people have mostly forgotten because they were swept undee the rug.

Usually they point to extreme negligence and then coverups. I like to say “at least negligence”. But then again I am a libertarian who criticizes politicians and governments for theie failures, so…

If you like that, then I guess “the wiki” for this stuff is literally my own blogs…

Russia and Ukraine, missing context most of you had no idea about: https://magarshak.com/blog/?p=397

My take on Israel and Gaza back in 2023: https://magarshak.com/blog/?p=424

The KGB/Soviet propaganda roots of modern anti-zionism: https://magarshak.com/blog/?p=481

Transparency in government: https://community.qbix.com/t/transparency-in-government/234

The global war on end to end encryption: https://community.qbix.com/t/the-global-war-on-end-to-end-en...

Balancing privacy and accountability: https://community.qbix.com/t/balancing-privacy-and-accountab...

Quantum Mechanics: https://magarshak.com/blog/?p=568

Re: The Israeli "art student" mystery (2002)

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Post by MrSkelter »

quotz wrote: post #36
EGreg wrote: post #14

I remember seeing Fox News segments about how Israeli spies probably knew something like 9/11 was going to happen, but didn't inform the Americans. There was a 4-part series, here are all the parts I think: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euoHYWD5C_U Direct quote around 4:30 but it's all interesting. =================== Actually, I will add a few more mainstream sources (no conspiracies, only official published resul…

Where did you learn about all this info? Is there a website / medium tracking this? Maybe wiki?

This was all widely reported. The problem here is that people don’t read and they routinely dismiss stories based on source, not content.

The 9/11 attacks were incredibly bizarre from day one. Everyone with any knowledge of the world immediately started asking questions.

Also remember that the attacks were the largest terrorist incidents by death for non-American countries. NY is a world city. More British people died that day than in any other single terrorist event - and that’s a country dealing with the IRA. That meant immediate global press and government investigation.

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