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Valve confirms credit card companies pressured it to delist certain adult games

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Re: Valve confirms credit card companies pressured it to delist certain adult games

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Post by Ancapistani »

mvdtnz wrote: post #80
Ancapistani wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Early crypto believer here. My first purchase of Bitcoin was at $0.23. I've been through the ups and downs, used the proceeds to buy physical assets over the years (land, and one vehicle), and lost interest in the "community" shortly after Ethereum gained initial popularity. I still hold some crypto, mostly Bitcoin but also Ethereum, Monero, and a handful of altcoins that don't amount to enough to bother withdrawing.…

> At some point there will be a war or significant political disruption. A large part of the world will want to divest itself of dollars, and none of the state-backed alternatives will be stable enough for their needs. That's when we'll see a shift to crypto - first some international institutions that do business across ideological borders, then the rest of the internationals, then individuals. Sorry how would crypt…

Price stability is a function of liquidity and velocity. Both would increase, thereby increasing stability.

Re: Valve confirms credit card companies pressured it to delist certain adult games

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Post by guywithahat »

throwaway071625 wrote: post #58

The article calls out “certain adult games” which is vague. It is interesting to note that most of the delisted games were themed specifically around incest. https://bsky.app/profile/steamdb.info/post/3lu32vdlsmg27 Wondering if this will be a slippery slope towards pulling more anodyne stuff.

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Re: Valve confirms credit card companies pressured it to delist certain adult games

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Post by 1970-01-01 »

voxl wrote: post #97
1970-01-01 wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a slippery slope. It's not real but can certainly, by definition, create a situation that mimics reality to the point of assisting someone at committing a real crime that they couldn't possibly commit without the simulation.

The slippery slope is in banning speech. If you want to make the claim that simulated sex leads to crimes we have been over this a thousand times with violence in games. There is no connection, you are without a leg to stand on except your own religious indoctrination.

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Re: Valve confirms credit card companies pressured it to delist certain adult games

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Post by encom »

miningape wrote: post #92
Hizonner wrote: post #89

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> There are some things that should not be normalized in society. That attitude has recently become normalized, and I find it Concerning(TM).

Yeah, who gets to decide whats too far? There's a similar issue with free speech - the moment you ban certain speech the door to banning your political opposition opens.

From what I can tell, only one country in the world has free speech. Actual free speech. USA.

Re: Valve confirms credit card companies pressured it to delist certain adult games

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Post by cindyllm »

bji9jhff wrote: post #59

It is sad that in 2025 this needs to be repeated: fiction is not real. This statement imply that: * Simulated violence is not violence. * Simulated sex is not sex. * Simulated sorcery is not sorcery

Let's simulate playing detective to reveal the true identities of the dead

Let's simulate grave digging

Let's simulate blackmailing the dead for an eternity

For fun AND for profit

Re: Valve confirms credit card companies pressured it to delist certain adult games

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Post by benjiro »

Ancapistani wrote: post #76
speeder wrote: post #30

For those thinking is only related to chargebacks and fraud, it is not. VISA and Mastercard have been banning a lot of content that is not porn but has political values that are disapproved by certain billionaires and investors. There is a bunch of links I wanted to post about, such as US billionaires bragging he personally called VISA CEO to ban content on PH or japanese politicians mad at the censorship of japanese…

Yep. They've colluded with the US federal government in the past on those issues as well. "Operation Choke Point" was ostensibly about fraud, but included transactions related to firearms in its scope. As a result, several major banks and payment processors dropped legitimate firearms dealers. For a while it got to the point that I was helping a couple of local gun stores contract with "high risk" payment processors…

Unfortunately, cash is slowly getting phased out.

Try buying a second hand car and you want cash from the bank. Used to be very easy, but now you need to declare what your spending your money on.

You sold your car. O, its over 7 or 10k, well, this is getting reported to the local IRS. Where is that cash coming from, questions, questions?

Over here they are even cracking down on stuff like ebay, amazon because some people run a business on those sites and do not report the taxes. Result: If you make over 3k in the year on ebay, you need to provided your tax number, or ebay closes your account. And above 3k, it get reported to the IRS.

But wait, what happens if your a foreign national from some specific Asian countries and want to open a bank account? Refused, refused, refused... But you need a bank account for a lot of basic things. Well, tough luck. Lets not talk account closing issues.

And that is the EU, and just normal people. Nothing tax evasion, guns, or whatever. Just everybody putting up umbrella's to be sure, not understanding that when everybody does it, it really screws with people.

They are going crazy with this over regulation. Yes, i understand you want to fight black money but the people who get the big amounts will have ways to hide it. Your just hurting the normal people wanting to know what everybody is doing exactly with every cent.

You see this gradual effort to slowly phase out cash. Cashless payment are getting encouraged, cash withdrawals cost your money more and more, more questions regarding origins (so you say f it, and use bank deposits with release approvals).

Its not a surprise that we seen the increase in cryto usage (and the efforts of governments to control that also).

Re: Valve confirms credit card companies pressured it to delist certain adult games

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Post by layer8 »

1970-01-01 wrote: post #96
bji9jhff wrote: post #59

It is sad that in 2025 this needs to be repeated: fiction is not real. This statement imply that: * Simulated violence is not violence. * Simulated sex is not sex. * Simulated sorcery is not sorcery

It's a slippery slope. It's not real but can certainly, by definition, create a situation that mimics reality to the point of assisting someone at committing a real crime that they couldn't possibly commit without the simulation.

Should also ban GTA then. /s

Re: Valve confirms credit card companies pressured it to delist certain adult games

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Post by moralestapia »

benjiro wrote: post #106
Ancapistani wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. They've colluded with the US federal government in the past on those issues as well. "Operation Choke Point" was ostensibly about fraud, but included transactions related to firearms in its scope. As a result, several major banks and payment processors dropped legitimate firearms dealers. For a while it got to the point that I was helping a couple of local gun stores contract with "high risk" payment processors…

Unfortunately, cash is slowly getting phased out. Try buying a second hand car and you want cash from the bank. Used to be very easy, but now you need to declare what your spending your money on. You sold your car. O, its over 7 or 10k, well, this is getting reported to the local IRS. Where is that cash coming from, questions, questions? Over here they are even cracking down on stuff like ebay, amazon because some pe…

>You sold your car. O, its over 7 or 10k, well, this is getting reported to the local IRS. Where is that cash coming from, questions, questions?

(I'm not in the US)

I'm curious about how does that happen. Do they reach out to you? Your bank?

Re: Valve confirms credit card companies pressured it to delist certain adult games

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Post by Ruthalas »

neogodless wrote: post #45

Simulated "immoral" activity could be considered a moral gray area. If nothing else, morality is subjective. So I think it's reasonable to argue for private, individual consumption of morally subjective material (not least of which is the logistical difficulty of preventing such things), as well as the right to create and sell such things. (You or I might approve of or oppose those things, but that's a different argu…

I think the trouble here stems from the lack of alternatives to the small group of payment processors. The near-monopoly allows their choices to override the choice of all the other involved groups, and almost no viable alternatives exist for Valve to move to if they disagree.
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