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CP/M creator Gary Kildall's memoirs released as free download

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Re: CP/M creator Gary Kildall's memoirs released as free download

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In particular, his mother – Mary Maxwell Gates – was on the United Way board along with IBM’s chairman John Opel and reportedly discussed her son’s company with Opel a few weeks before they made the decision to license MS-DOS. https://www.nytimes.com/1994/06/11/obituaries/mary-gates-64-...

There's little doubt that Ms Gates suggested that IBM look into Bill Gates, but I seriously doubt that IBM made the major business decision to contract with Gates because of his mother's suggestion.

None of us know what was said but I have no reason to doubt it based on the reports of his subsequent conversations with lower-level IBM executives. It probably didn’t seem like an especially consequential decision both because neither Gates nor Kildall were especially proven at that time by the standards of a Goliath like IBM and the mainframe guys were notoriously dismissive of PCs (Opel came up through S/360). I’ve seen enough nepotism not to question the plausibility but it’s especially easy to imagine people high up the management ladder at the biggest mainframe manufacturer thinking it didn’t really matter which of the toy computer operating system vendors they picked. I didn’t work in that world then (that was my dad’s generation) but even in the mid-90s when I started working in tech it was not uncommon to find mainframe people who were dismissive of PC or Unix systems as non-serious.

Re: CP/M creator Gary Kildall's memoirs released as free download

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post #45

"Glenn came to my tool shed computer room in 1975, so we could "adapt" CP/M to the IMSAI hardware. What this means is that I would rewrite the parts of CP/M that manage things like diskette controllers and CRTs. Well. come on, I'd already done this so many times that the tips of my fingers were wearing thin, so I designed a general interface, which I called the BIOS (BASIC I/O System) that a good programmer could cha…

In retrospect, MS-DOS was a rather trivial program. Sometimes I wonder why I and/or many others did not write an equivalent, even just for fun.

TurboDOS was a contemporary one - had multiprocessing (as in, you could have multiple Z80 CPU boards in a single card cage that passed messages over a bus) and was delivered as linkable objects, so you could customize the OS for your hardware (in the multi-Z80 setup, you didn't need any I/O that wasn't in the daughterboards, so in this case the tiny version of TurboDOS on the daughter boards did the message passing thing and talked to the physical serial ports, but didn't need a disk driver since the only disk was hooked to the single master board. Great (long-lost) stuff - we were building an early dialup info-service so each daughter board had multiple modems...

Re: CP/M creator Gary Kildall's memoirs released as free download

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Let's be frank. Gates was from the WASP elites, old money stuff. IBM would probably find a reason to give him the deal rather than to Gary no matter what.

Gates had a version of DOS ready in 6 weeks, while DR was still planning DOS. MS got things going much faster.

No. He ran out and acquired 86-DOS, from Seattle Computer Products. It's easy to have something when you buy it already complete.

And DR had CP/M-86.

Re: CP/M creator Gary Kildall's memoirs released as free download

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post #45

"Glenn came to my tool shed computer room in 1975, so we could "adapt" CP/M to the IMSAI hardware. What this means is that I would rewrite the parts of CP/M that manage things like diskette controllers and CRTs. Well. come on, I'd already done this so many times that the tips of my fingers were wearing thin, so I designed a general interface, which I called the BIOS (BASIC I/O System) that a good programmer could cha…

In retrospect, MS-DOS was a rather trivial program. Sometimes I wonder why I and/or many others did not write an equivalent, even just for fun.

> Sometimes I wonder why I and/or many others did not write an equivalent, even just for fun

In a sense, every game developer back then wrote a very small real-time operating system that dealt with user input, state management, screen updates, and audio. I wrote a window server (a window-stacker would be more accurate) for the Apple II.

Re: CP/M creator Gary Kildall's memoirs released as free download

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Obviously this is awesome, however a bit tough to read as the quality/resolution of the text is pretty low. Wonder if someone could clean it up and provide the new file to the hoster? Anyway, will try to clean it up for myself/local copy...

EDIT, nevermind someone already did it. The epub looks great: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44603066#44605221

Re: CP/M creator Gary Kildall's memoirs released as free download

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post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gates had a version of DOS ready in 6 weeks, while DR was still planning DOS. MS got things going much faster.

No. He ran out and acquired 86-DOS, from Seattle Computer Products. It's easy to have something when you buy it already complete. And DR had CP/M-86.

Same thing, he did the needful to have something to give ibm.

Re: CP/M creator Gary Kildall's memoirs released as free download

#67
post #33

It's a scanned PDF linked on that page, but someone turned it into an epub if that's what you're looking for - https://gitlab.com/sigwait/computer_connections/-/releases

This is perfect, thank you so much. Resolves the text quality of the original source!

Re: CP/M creator Gary Kildall's memoirs released as free download

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post #35
post #27

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Jobs had a key difference from Gates - he had taste. He insisted on the injection molded case for the Apple II instead of sheet metal because he wanted it to look like a finished product. He insisted on not having lines dividing the color bands in their logo, which made it more expensive to print (but much nicer to look at). Jobs would never let something like Windows 1 escape the lab.

Good thing Microsoft fixed it with 2.0!?

They arguably fixed it at 3.0, the first truly popular version of windows.

Re: CP/M creator Gary Kildall's memoirs released as free download

#69
post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In particular, his mother – Mary Maxwell Gates – was on the United Way board along with IBM’s chairman John Opel and reportedly discussed her son’s company with Opel a few weeks before they made the decision to license MS-DOS. https://www.nytimes.com/1994/06/11/obituaries/mary-gates-64-...

There's little doubt that Ms Gates suggested that IBM look into Bill Gates, but I seriously doubt that IBM made the major business decision to contract with Gates because of his mother's suggestion.

One way to look at it is that if IBM considered licensing MS-DOS and CP/M to be equivalent, which is to say either one would serve there purposes. Then I can easily see the Chairman of IBM putting a finger on the scale to swing it toward Ms. Gates son. It's like a two-fer[1], IBM is going to do a deal anyway and they figure either OS would work, and he gets a 'favor' point from a fellow board member who he might someday need their vote on a board decision down the road. Politics at that level is all about the banking of favors and opportunistically cashing them in.

[1] "Two for one" -- two desirable outcomes from a single action.

Re: CP/M creator Gary Kildall's memoirs released as free download

#70
post #38

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There's a lot of mythology around Kildall and IBM. I'm sure some it it even aligns with the facts but I don't put that much stock in many of the stories and theories.

We'll never know the truth.

Past some point, even people with some first-hand knowledge may not know the whole truth, filter things through their own biases, may just misremember, etc.
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