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Re: Claude Code Unleashed

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Post by williamcotton »

Quarrel wrote: post #38
brainless wrote: post #8

I am using Claude Code full-time for about 6 weeks* with the $20/month subscription. I am trying out building different products from ideas I have already had. It frees me a lot of time to talk about my founder journey. I have not needed multiple agents or using CC over an SSH terminal to run overnight. The main reason is that LLMs are not correct many times. So I still need time to test. Like run the whole app, or c…

If there is barely any code in those repos that you wrote, how can you license them under the GPL? You don't hold the copyright for it. This genuinely isn't an attack, I just don't think you can? The AI isn't granted copyright over what it produces.

I'm not so sure about that.

The legal standards in the United States for software copyrights are Jaslow and Altai, known to Federal courts as SSO [0] and AFC [1], respectively.

These standards consider the overall structure of code as being copyrightable. This means that you can't just rename a bunch of variables and class names. The overall organization of the code is considered an arbitrary expression. Someone would be infringing on copyright if they took your Java code and converted it to Python with different class, variable and function names but kept the same relationships between classes and the same general structure.

So what does this have to do with LLMs? Well, if the author directed the code to be structured in a certain way, directed to create specific APIs, etc, then there is a legal argument that the author has at least copyright over the arbitrary and expressive decisions that were made while building a software system.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structure,_sequence_and_organi...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstraction-Filtration-Compari...

Re: Claude Code Unleashed

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Post by cess11 »

brainless wrote: post #67
cess11 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looking at ChatInterface.tsx/handleSendMessage in https://github.com/pixlie/Pixlie/commit/3c0bd23ff16c0fcdac80... , I'd have rejected this if it came up in a PR and would not consider this production quality software. Rewriting it to something sane would be harder and more time consuming than just writing a decent implementation upfront.

This is an excellent point and one that I am chasing. I do not want software (at least ones I produce) to be inferior than what I would hand code. LLMs give me huge velocity but I am still learning where to put guardrails so it keeps quality to what I would do myself. Now the critical point: what if my own quality is inferior to many others. I think we will have this issue a lot since LLMs can generated code at 10x s…

'Tools with guardrails' are common. Wordpress, RAD, low-/no-code and so on. A lot of enterprise software is produced in a cycle where software interviews middle managers and writes code that then generates code that becomes part of a system.

Reinventing this space but make it slow and expensive seems like it's not a serious business idea. I believe the business idea behind coding LLM SaaS is actually about looking into other corporations and seeing what they do and how.

Re: Claude Code Unleashed

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Post by mdaniel »

dearilos wrote: post #87

There's a lot of arguments being made here that background agents aren't effective because code review is the bottleneck. I built a tool that understands the codebase and can give the agent the first pass. So you don't need to spend mental bandwidth to review mountains of code. If anyone is open to trying - email is in profile

Given the number of existing companies trying that stunt, you'd need to provide more insight into your moat for anyone to be able to judge if they are "open to trying"

Re: Claude Code Unleashed

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Post by Manozco »

brainless wrote: post #66
Quarrel wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If there is barely any code in those repos that you wrote, how can you license them under the GPL? You don't hold the copyright for it. This genuinely isn't an attack, I just don't think you can? The AI isn't granted copyright over what it produces.

I have not thought about it, it is one of the things on my list. But my understanding was that developers copy code from Stack Overflow, as an example. It is not "my" code but I still am the author. Or lets say I ask my friend to add code and she/he simply passes over the code to me. I author it in my name. The "barely" part may be important and I would like to know what others are doing.

I got a patch rejected (rightfully so IMO) a long-time ago from libvirt (RedHat) because I was using (and mentioning) code taken from StackOverflow.

Re: Claude Code Unleashed

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Post by mdaniel »

Eggpants wrote: post #85
conartist6 wrote: post #75

It's just arbitrage. You aren't a programmer. The basic nature of your work is not serving users with better software, but buying $1000 of currency for $200.

This narrative has been pushed hard lately that $200 a month is a “bargain” because it’s “worth” $1000. If that’s true, then these companies will be running out of venture capital money very soon. Then their only recourse will be to sell themselves or insert ads into LLM responses then this will be a total shit show. It’s easy to see how trivial it will be to have an adwords type operation where output tokens are rep…

That would be a terrible revenue model because no one's going to read code anymore, they're going to just keep piling on agents until the vibes align

Re: Claude Code Unleashed

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Post by chasd00 »

UnreachableCode wrote: post #25

Am I the only person who hasn't found the time, money, permission from work, resources, etc to be able to produce software like this? I'm still at my corporate 9-5 where they're still making the decision on whether we're allowed to use copilot yet.

i'm in the same boat more or less. I sometimes ask claude for a stand alone class or webcomponent and it does that job pretty well. The attack lawyers have told me they'd burn my house down if i ever give it any of our code.

Re: Claude Code Unleashed

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Post by mdaniel »

dismalpedigree wrote: post #81
dr_kiszonka wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am in a situation where everyone uses it but is ashamed to admit it. I often spot people secretly glancing at GH copilot chat or Chat GPT.

Its the Ozempic of programming!

Wow, that's actually a great analogy: it's hailed as the 2nd coming to cure all of society's woes, it's trying to use a quick fix instead of making lifestyle changes, it may damage your organs, and if you stop using it you go back to where you were before or worse

Re: Claude Code Unleashed

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Post by mdaniel »

barrenko wrote: post #59
ed_mercer wrote: post #56

I need an open-source version of this. I’m not exactly comfortable exposing all of my code to some external service.

If you watch the following 'til the end https://youtu.be/bUBF5V6oDKw (from the AI Engineer conf, by the creator of Docker), you can I think find something satisfactory within those lines.

Did you link to a video instead of https://github.com/dagger/container-use (Apache 2)? I mean, as fun as it was to watch someone type into GhosTTY on stage ...

Anyway, lightly discussed at the time https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44193933

Re: Claude Code Unleashed

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Post by rafram »

Claude Code eating up hundreds of dollars of API credits a day doesn't make $200/month "cheap," it just means that Anthropic has figured out an effective way to talk you into getting ripped off.
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