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Re: Claude Code Unleashed

#71

Post by Quarrel »

lucianbr wrote: post #61
Quarrel wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If there is barely any code in those repos that you wrote, how can you license them under the GPL? You don't hold the copyright for it. This genuinely isn't an attack, I just don't think you can? The AI isn't granted copyright over what it produces.

So what would be the status of this code? Nobody holds the copyright for it, so anyone can use it in any way and nobody can sue for anything. It's not GPL, but it sounds pretty open source to me.

Yes, my understanding is that non-humans in the USA, cannot be granted copyright. This puts the work in the public domain, which means it can't be relicensed.

There was a much appealed case of a monkey taking a photo, where it was decided the photo was in the public domain.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_selfie_copyright_disput...

It boiled down to the creator not being a "legal person" and so could not hold copyright.

The real problem for software is where the line is for a "sufficient" transformation from the source material by a human to make it acquire copyright. You can write a Dickens' character derived novel and have copyright in it, but not gain control over those characters as Dickens described them.

Re: Claude Code Unleashed

#72

Post by mellosouls »

Quarrel wrote: post #38
brainless wrote: post #8

I am using Claude Code full-time for about 6 weeks* with the $20/month subscription. I am trying out building different products from ideas I have already had. It frees me a lot of time to talk about my founder journey. I have not needed multiple agents or using CC over an SSH terminal to run overnight. The main reason is that LLMs are not correct many times. So I still need time to test. Like run the whole app, or c…

If there is barely any code in those repos that you wrote, how can you license them under the GPL? You don't hold the copyright for it. This genuinely isn't an attack, I just don't think you can? The AI isn't granted copyright over what it produces.

IANAL but the AI is a tool and presumably the code should be treated as any other auto-generated. Its the product of the tool user.

Unless the product includes code licensed by others, then - like any other repo - I don't see any license issue here.

If you mean there is no insight as to whether licensed code is included, that's one of the constraints of vibe-coding (which people often confuse with AI-assisted coding).

Its the job of the user to check and curate the contributions as they would any third-party human input (eg. via prs). Again though - that's not an AI coding issue, but a human process decision.

Re: Claude Code Unleashed

#73

Post by yahoozoo »

cess11 wrote: post #45
brainless wrote: post #8

I am using Claude Code full-time for about 6 weeks* with the $20/month subscription. I am trying out building different products from ideas I have already had. It frees me a lot of time to talk about my founder journey. I have not needed multiple agents or using CC over an SSH terminal to run overnight. The main reason is that LLMs are not correct many times. So I still need time to test. Like run the whole app, or c…

Looking at ChatInterface.tsx/handleSendMessage in https://github.com/pixlie/Pixlie/commit/3c0bd23ff16c0fcdac80... , I'd have rejected this if it came up in a PR and would not consider this production quality software. Rewriting it to something sane would be harder and more time consuming than just writing a decent implementation upfront.

What would you change in that function?

Re: Claude Code Unleashed

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Post by xandrius »

Quarrel wrote: post #38
brainless wrote: post #8

I am using Claude Code full-time for about 6 weeks* with the $20/month subscription. I am trying out building different products from ideas I have already had. It frees me a lot of time to talk about my founder journey. I have not needed multiple agents or using CC over an SSH terminal to run overnight. The main reason is that LLMs are not correct many times. So I still need time to test. Like run the whole app, or c…

If there is barely any code in those repos that you wrote, how can you license them under the GPL? You don't hold the copyright for it. This genuinely isn't an attack, I just don't think you can? The AI isn't granted copyright over what it produces.

What else should they do then? GPL is a good call. Most keep the output under their own personal/company IP.

Re: Claude Code Unleashed

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Post by zarzavat »

mellosouls wrote: post #72
Quarrel wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If there is barely any code in those repos that you wrote, how can you license them under the GPL? You don't hold the copyright for it. This genuinely isn't an attack, I just don't think you can? The AI isn't granted copyright over what it produces.

IANAL but the AI is a tool and presumably the code should be treated as any other auto-generated. Its the product of the tool user. Unless the product includes code licensed by others, then - like any other repo - I don't see any license issue here. If you mean there is no insight as to whether licensed code is included, that's one of the constraints of vibe-coding (which people often confuse with AI-assisted coding)…

No, there is no copyright.

If you tried to sue someone for copyright infringement based on code that an LLM generated for you, you'd be laughed out of court.

Re: Claude Code Unleashed

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Post by baq »

cess11 wrote: post #64
baq wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re missing the point. This is not production quality software. This is mass produced software. You aren’t supposed to look at all the internals, just the really critical parts.

So, according to you, it's like Wordpress all over again and a lot of work incoming for people that can actually build and maintain software. Edit: And more critically, a lot of work incoming for people that can teach software development.

Yes. Someone will need to manage the 10-100x mess of LLM spaghetti codebases after they find product-market fit.

Re: Claude Code Unleashed

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Post by conartist6 »

Quarrel wrote: post #38
brainless wrote: post #8

I am using Claude Code full-time for about 6 weeks* with the $20/month subscription. I am trying out building different products from ideas I have already had. It frees me a lot of time to talk about my founder journey. I have not needed multiple agents or using CC over an SSH terminal to run overnight. The main reason is that LLMs are not correct many times. So I still need time to test. Like run the whole app, or c…

If there is barely any code in those repos that you wrote, how can you license them under the GPL? You don't hold the copyright for it. This genuinely isn't an attack, I just don't think you can? The AI isn't granted copyright over what it produces.

Correct. No copyright. No legal teeth to the GPL.

Take whatever you want and relicense it cause it doesn't belong to the "author"

Lolololololol "author"

Re: Claude Code Unleashed

#79

Post by conartist6 »

mellosouls wrote: post #72
Quarrel wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If there is barely any code in those repos that you wrote, how can you license them under the GPL? You don't hold the copyright for it. This genuinely isn't an attack, I just don't think you can? The AI isn't granted copyright over what it produces.

IANAL but the AI is a tool and presumably the code should be treated as any other auto-generated. Its the product of the tool user. Unless the product includes code licensed by others, then - like any other repo - I don't see any license issue here. If you mean there is no insight as to whether licensed code is included, that's one of the constraints of vibe-coding (which people often confuse with AI-assisted coding)…

The product is not owned by the tool user.

Use a hammer, you own the output. Use an intern, the intern does.

Of course if you're aren't a person you can't own anything.

Re: Claude Code Unleashed

#80

Post by ffsm8 »

Daviey wrote: post #51
Quarrel wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If there is barely any code in those repos that you wrote, how can you license them under the GPL? You don't hold the copyright for it. This genuinely isn't an attack, I just don't think you can? The AI isn't granted copyright over what it produces.

I can only talk about the law in England & Wales, but: For code generated by an LLM the human user would likely be considered the author if you provided sufficient creative input, direction, or modification. The level of human involvement matters, simply prompting "write me a function" might not be enough, but providing detailed specifications, reviewing, and modifying the output would strengthen the claim. the Copyr…

At least for art there is already precedent in US courts with someone trying to copyright an image generated by midjourney and it getting revoked in 22, because ai generated art cannot be copyrighted.

for code it hasn't been challenged yet, but I find it doubtful they'd decide differently there

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