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Re: Claude Code Unleashed

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Post by lucianbr »

Quarrel wrote: post #38
brainless wrote: post #8

I am using Claude Code full-time for about 6 weeks* with the $20/month subscription. I am trying out building different products from ideas I have already had. It frees me a lot of time to talk about my founder journey. I have not needed multiple agents or using CC over an SSH terminal to run overnight. The main reason is that LLMs are not correct many times. So I still need time to test. Like run the whole app, or c…

If there is barely any code in those repos that you wrote, how can you license them under the GPL? You don't hold the copyright for it. This genuinely isn't an attack, I just don't think you can? The AI isn't granted copyright over what it produces.

So what would be the status of this code? Nobody holds the copyright for it, so anyone can use it in any way and nobody can sue for anything. It's not GPL, but it sounds pretty open source to me.

Re: Claude Code Unleashed

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Post by kasey_junk »

nojs wrote: post #54
kasey_junk wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With most of the async Claude code systems I’ve tried you’d do iterations like this as part of code review. And fwiw I use cc with a complex code base and an async workflow like the author describes daily.

The problem with working at the PR level is it massively sacrifices speed if you need to make small tweaks yourself interspersed with CC’s work, which seems to be the best workflow atm, at least for nontrivial changes. Local git worktrees are way faster.

Yeah. I don’t think it’s an all or nothing thing. Sometimes a change is best done all through async iterations, sometimes you want to be interactive and sometimes agent wrangling is just not worth it.

The painful thing for me right now is setting up the agent instructions, permissions and sandboxes varies for each of those use cases and the tooling around that is very rudimentary right now.

Re: Claude Code Unleashed

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Post by mirsadm »

cheema33 wrote: post #4

This article reads like an ad for the author’s product.

HN is full of ads masquerading as comments. They usually start with I used [insert tool from link] to create my [insert as for their product]. It was so great!!

Re: Claude Code Unleashed

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Post by cess11 »

baq wrote: post #58
cess11 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looking at ChatInterface.tsx/handleSendMessage in https://github.com/pixlie/Pixlie/commit/3c0bd23ff16c0fcdac80... , I'd have rejected this if it came up in a PR and would not consider this production quality software. Rewriting it to something sane would be harder and more time consuming than just writing a decent implementation upfront.

You’re missing the point. This is not production quality software. This is mass produced software. You aren’t supposed to look at all the internals, just the really critical parts.

So, according to you, it's like Wordpress all over again and a lot of work incoming for people that can actually build and maintain software.

Edit: And more critically, a lot of work incoming for people that can teach software development.

Re: Claude Code Unleashed

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Post by brainless »

eisbaw wrote: post #21
brainless wrote: post #8

I am using Claude Code full-time for about 6 weeks* with the $20/month subscription. I am trying out building different products from ideas I have already had. It frees me a lot of time to talk about my founder journey. I have not needed multiple agents or using CC over an SSH terminal to run overnight. The main reason is that LLMs are not correct many times. So I still need time to test. Like run the whole app, or c…

you just rick rolled me!

I am so sorry, it was not intentional at all. I had asked Claude Code to keep a placeholder video. I did not even know what "rick rolling" means. Just searched and understood what I have done!

Re: Claude Code Unleashed

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Post by brainless »

Quarrel wrote: post #38
brainless wrote: post #8

I am using Claude Code full-time for about 6 weeks* with the $20/month subscription. I am trying out building different products from ideas I have already had. It frees me a lot of time to talk about my founder journey. I have not needed multiple agents or using CC over an SSH terminal to run overnight. The main reason is that LLMs are not correct many times. So I still need time to test. Like run the whole app, or c…

If there is barely any code in those repos that you wrote, how can you license them under the GPL? You don't hold the copyright for it. This genuinely isn't an attack, I just don't think you can? The AI isn't granted copyright over what it produces.

I have not thought about it, it is one of the things on my list. But my understanding was that developers copy code from Stack Overflow, as an example. It is not "my" code but I still am the author. Or lets say I ask my friend to add code and she/he simply passes over the code to me. I author it in my name.

The "barely" part may be important and I would like to know what others are doing.

Re: Claude Code Unleashed

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Post by brainless »

cess11 wrote: post #45
brainless wrote: post #8

I am using Claude Code full-time for about 6 weeks* with the $20/month subscription. I am trying out building different products from ideas I have already had. It frees me a lot of time to talk about my founder journey. I have not needed multiple agents or using CC over an SSH terminal to run overnight. The main reason is that LLMs are not correct many times. So I still need time to test. Like run the whole app, or c…

Looking at ChatInterface.tsx/handleSendMessage in https://github.com/pixlie/Pixlie/commit/3c0bd23ff16c0fcdac80... , I'd have rejected this if it came up in a PR and would not consider this production quality software. Rewriting it to something sane would be harder and more time consuming than just writing a decent implementation upfront.

This is an excellent point and one that I am chasing. I do not want software (at least ones I produce) to be inferior than what I would hand code. LLMs give me huge velocity but I am still learning where to put guardrails so it keeps quality to what I would do myself.

Now the critical point: what if my own quality is inferior to many others. I think we will have this issue a lot since LLMs can generated code at 10x speeds. The quality will be what the human operator sets. Or, maybe, more and more tools will adapt best practices as guardrails and do not give humans much option to steer away from them.

Re: Claude Code Unleashed

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Post by brainless »

baq wrote: post #58
cess11 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looking at ChatInterface.tsx/handleSendMessage in https://github.com/pixlie/Pixlie/commit/3c0bd23ff16c0fcdac80... , I'd have rejected this if it came up in a PR and would not consider this production quality software. Rewriting it to something sane would be harder and more time consuming than just writing a decent implementation upfront.

You’re missing the point. This is not production quality software. This is mass produced software. You aren’t supposed to look at all the internals, just the really critical parts.

This is a very critical point. I think code generated by LLMs will lower code generation cost, that means mass produced software.

But: if we reduce cost, then can we not add deterministic guardrails in software that are also maintained at LLM speed and cost? This is pretty much what I am trying to understand. Choice of Rust/TypeScript in my projects in very intentional and you may see why.

Re: Claude Code Unleashed

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Post by eulgro »

brainless wrote: post #65
eisbaw wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you just rick rolled me!

I am so sorry, it was not intentional at all. I had asked Claude Code to keep a placeholder video. I did not even know what "rick rolling" means. Just searched and understood what I have done!

Apparently this is typical to LLMs: https://chatgpt.com/s/t_687a285d9f708191a884d2ad39ddcb53

I mean, it's probably the most linked YouTube video by a factor of 100x so it makes sense for it to be hardcoded in the model.

Re: Claude Code Unleashed

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Post by didgeoridoo »

cess11 wrote: post #45
brainless wrote: post #8

I am using Claude Code full-time for about 6 weeks* with the $20/month subscription. I am trying out building different products from ideas I have already had. It frees me a lot of time to talk about my founder journey. I have not needed multiple agents or using CC over an SSH terminal to run overnight. The main reason is that LLMs are not correct many times. So I still need time to test. Like run the whole app, or c…

Looking at ChatInterface.tsx/handleSendMessage in https://github.com/pixlie/Pixlie/commit/3c0bd23ff16c0fcdac80... , I'd have rejected this if it came up in a PR and would not consider this production quality software. Rewriting it to something sane would be harder and more time consuming than just writing a decent implementation upfront.

This may not be the best example, but it’s worth considering: if the code is never meant to be reviewed by humans, and it’s an ephemeral implantation detail that will only ever be read & edited by machines, do certain traditional measures of software quality even matter anymore inside the module boundary?
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