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Re: Ask HN: Is HN Pro-Fascist?

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Post by mariusor »

GloomyBoots wrote: post #56
__d wrote: post #47

Fascism implies (paraphrasing Wikipedia): * a dictatorial leader * an authoritarian government * nationalism and/or racism * militarism * promotion of a "natural order" I don't think any of those accurately characterize a dominant ideology on HN. If anything, in my observation, HN is somewhat libertarian-leaning, rather than fascist.

Even that is an incredibly vague and ahistorical definition. It’s strange how much ink is spilled over redefining ‘fascism’ in as vague a way as possible (thinking of Eco here, who remains perennially popular among those who tilt at hooked windmills). Mussolini did a great job as delineating exactly what fascism was, and the NSDAP fit it, but in general it really doesn’t fit states outside of that particular time and…

I think that accepting the definition given by fascists to fascism, instead of evaluating their actions - as did Eco - might be the wrong way to go about this.

Re: Ask HN: Is HN Pro-Fascist?

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Post by tim333 »

No, it's not pro fascist.

Re articles getting flagged, see the HN guidelines:

>Eschew flamebait.

>Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples curiosity.

>Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities

Also re Musk there have been ten Musk stories submitted in the last 24 hours, none actually flagged as far as I can see, though with little interaction. You can have too much of that stuff.

Re: Ask HN: Is HN Pro-Fascist?

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Post by kcplate »

queenkjuul wrote: post #52
kcplate wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that fascism historically encompassed a number of political and power qualities and what is being described as “fascist” today might have some of those qualities, but not necessarily all of them. Ironically the side yelling “fascist” today also has some of those qualities, but doesn’t want to admit either. Probably just best to focus on those qualities you don’t like on the other side and leave the lab…

We need words people understand now to describe what's happening now. Curious what you consider fascist about people who hold zero corporate or political power

> We need words people understand now to describe what's happening now.

Ok, so use words appropriate to what is happening. When you work to redefine “scary” words in an attempt to try and piggyback on their negative history you minimize that history.

> Curious what you consider fascist about people who hold zero corporate or political power

The point was that I don’t consider what we see today as fascist and you shouldn’t either…because it’s not.

Re: Ask HN: Is HN Pro-Fascist?

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Post by msgodel »

__d wrote: post #47

Fascism implies (paraphrasing Wikipedia): * a dictatorial leader * an authoritarian government * nationalism and/or racism * militarism * promotion of a "natural order" I don't think any of those accurately characterize a dominant ideology on HN. If anything, in my observation, HN is somewhat libertarian-leaning, rather than fascist.

Trump won't even do H1B reform which is something plenty of non-nationalist moderates want.

Re: Ask HN: Is HN Pro-Fascist?

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Post by kcplate »

queenkjuul wrote: post #55
kcplate wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think it selects for people who don't care Ok, but that is a different thing than a specific political lean. I know quite a few folks who claim to care about the homeless, but those claims don’t ever translate to action. That leads me to suspect that what they actually care about is people believing they care about the homeless.

What do you expect those individuals to do about a nationwide systemic failure? Genuinely. Like what would they have to do to convince you they care?

They could just do something. One small thing…even locally. I don’t buy into this “the problem is too big” so all I am going to do is point it out.

Re: Ask HN: Is HN Pro-Fascist?

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Post by computerthings »

tim333 wrote: post #65

No, it's not pro fascist. Re articles getting flagged, see the HN guidelines: >Eschew flamebait. >Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples curiosity. >Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities Also re Musk there have been ten Musk stories submitted in the last 24 hours, none actually flagged as far as I can see, though with little interaction. You…

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Re: Ask HN: Is HN Pro-Fascist?

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Post by aaronbaugher »

Yizahi wrote: post #33

Opinion answer - no, judging by the votes and contents of the majority of the comments about politically charged topics, I'm pretty sure that most of the people here are approximately center-left leaning, and more libertarian than authoritarian leaning. Some examples, without judging them - HN on average seems to support European worker protections than USA free for all stance, at the same time EU bureaucracy and red…

What's funny is that OP thinks anti-Trump posts being flagged suggests HN is pro-Trump, while not noticing that pro-Trump posts don't exist here at all. Unless they're deleted immediately (seems unlikely), people with that opinion have just learned to keep it to themselves (or go away) because it'll only destroy their karma here.

That suggests that HN leans heavily anti-Trump, but also doesn't want to talk about him all the time, so flags posts that drag the forum in that direction. Ditto Musk and "fascism," whatever that's supposed to mean nowadays when everyone to the right of Mao gets called a fascist sooner or later.

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