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Re: Ask HN: Is HN Pro-Fascist?

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Post by queenkjuul »

PaulHoule wrote: post #45
mcphage wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have trouble taking people seriously when they refuse to call things what they are because they don’t want to admit it.

"Anti-fascists" were saying things like "Keir Starmer is a Fascist" (sci-fi writer Charlie Stross) or that "My local police department is Fascist" or "White people are Fascist" If you know your 'Pataphysics or Chaos Magick you know that's a magic spell to put fascists in charge.

So you can't call fascism fascism because some idiot called not-fascism fascism?

Re: Ask HN: Is HN Pro-Fascist?

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Post by queenkjuul »

kcplate wrote: post #34
mcphage wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have trouble taking people seriously when they refuse to call things what they are because they don’t want to admit it.

The problem is that fascism historically encompassed a number of political and power qualities and what is being described as “fascist” today might have some of those qualities, but not necessarily all of them. Ironically the side yelling “fascist” today also has some of those qualities, but doesn’t want to admit either. Probably just best to focus on those qualities you don’t like on the other side and leave the lab…

We need words people understand now to describe what's happening now.

Curious what you consider fascist about people who hold zero corporate or political power

Re: Ask HN: Is HN Pro-Fascist?

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Post by queenkjuul »

al_borland wrote: post #30
mcphage wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have trouble taking people seriously when they refuse to call things what they are because they don’t want to admit it.

Trump has given power back to the states for various things and seems to be consistently anti-war. Musk has been pushing the idea of starting a new political party to better represent the people and is for less regulation and smaller government. This doesn’t sound like a couple of fascists.

Yes it does

Re: Ask HN: Is HN Pro-Fascist?

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Post by queenkjuul »

cholantesh wrote: post #46
al_borland wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump has given power back to the states for various things and seems to be consistently anti-war. Musk has been pushing the idea of starting a new political party to better represent the people and is for less regulation and smaller government. This doesn’t sound like a couple of fascists.

>Musk has been pushing the idea of starting a new political party to better represent the people and is for less regulation and smaller government. This is self-contradictory gibberish. Deregulation and small government for him means further weakening labour laws to the point where the interests of the majority of Americans, ie, wage workers, have no ability to advocate for their needs and no recourse when he encroac…

It's only war when the guy i don't like does it. Otherwise it's "intervention" or "police action" or "limited engagement" or the term du jour

Re: Ask HN: Is HN Pro-Fascist?

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Post by queenkjuul »

kcplate wrote: post #48
PaulHoule wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it selects for people who don't care. Or maybe it is a warning that it could happen to you if you don't suck up to your brat boss.

> I think it selects for people who don't care Ok, but that is a different thing than a specific political lean. I know quite a few folks who claim to care about the homeless, but those claims don’t ever translate to action. That leads me to suspect that what they actually care about is people believing they care about the homeless.

What do you expect those individuals to do about a nationwide systemic failure? Genuinely. Like what would they have to do to convince you they care?

Re: Ask HN: Is HN Pro-Fascist?

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Post by GloomyBoots »

__d wrote: post #47

Fascism implies (paraphrasing Wikipedia): * a dictatorial leader * an authoritarian government * nationalism and/or racism * militarism * promotion of a "natural order" I don't think any of those accurately characterize a dominant ideology on HN. If anything, in my observation, HN is somewhat libertarian-leaning, rather than fascist.

Even that is an incredibly vague and ahistorical definition. It’s strange how much ink is spilled over redefining ‘fascism’ in as vague a way as possible (thinking of Eco here, who remains perennially popular among those who tilt at hooked windmills).

Mussolini did a great job as delineating exactly what fascism was, and the NSDAP fit it, but in general it really doesn’t fit states outside of that particular time and place, including most regimes described as ‘fascist’ today.

The arguments for why Trump is somehow a fascist are among the most facile I’ve ever heard, and I say that having never voted for nor supported Trump, and having even more negative an opinion of him now than I did previously.

Political discourse will never be anything beyond laughable until we can get past screeching at each other over which side is the secret fascist.

Re: Ask HN: Is HN Pro-Fascist?

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Post by gsf_emergency_2 »

recursivecaveat wrote: post #58

Is HN is the institution? As a recruitment board for YC, of course it is. Are there openly fascist posters in most relevant threads? Definitely. Would I describe the average community member as such? No.

Indeed, HN seems to be pro-institution (because most livelihoods depend on them)

But when seemingly innocuous posts are flagged, that label seems too weak.

To those sympathetic to these political posts..upvoting or posting calm or mildly supportive comments like the above (BEFORE THE FLAG happens) might help to prevent flags..

The title of this one is too inflammatory imho

EDIT: The comments to this one seemed alright but still got flagged https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44601096

Re: Ask HN: Is HN Pro-Fascist?

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Post by tjansen »

jmclnx wrote: post #25

I noticed that too, so I used this as a test case: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44588392 it hours to get it flagged where a Trump/Musk criticism gets flagged in a few minutes. But it was flagged. I really really doubt HN is "pro-fascist", but I think it leans to the right because it is the rich that funds their projects.

It depends on the time of day. I have noticed that certain posts of mine are getting downvotes earlier in the day (when there are more Europeans) and upvotes later (when the Americans are in the majority). Other posts are getting upvotes early and downvotes later.

And it's the main reason why I rarely write comments on HN. Everything is so political. If people don't agree with you, they downvote you. Your karma only reflects the popularity of your views. If you're writing something that is controversial, it's likely to lower your karma, if one side can downvote it before the other side sees it.

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