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Re: How and where will agents ship software?

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Post by Exoristos »

stillpointlab wrote: post #57
dingnuts wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

not to be rude, but WordPress is already a well known target for a lot of malicious behavior; assuming someone non technical is safely extending it with LLM generated authentication code is something that causes me, an industry professional, a certain amount of alarm

Your comment isn't rude, but it is a bit close to concern trolling. (as in, "the action or practice of disingenuously expressing concern about an issue in order to undermine or derail genuine discussion.") "Won't somebody think of the local plumbers website!" There is an assumption being made here that isn't being made explicit: the only way that malicious behavior can be avoided is by paying a programmer. Is that a…

> There is an assumption being made here that isn't being made explicit: the only way that malicious behavior can be avoided is by paying a programmer. Is that a valid assumption?

As far as anyone knows: yes. Why would that surprise you? The "only way" architecture can be certified hurricane-proof is by "paying" an engineering agency. That's why such professions were developed.

Re: How and where will agents ship software?

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Post by lil-lugger »

mjsweet wrote: post #52
imiric wrote: post #51

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That's great, and kudos to your friend. Just two things: - Wouldn't his firm be better served by website builders like WordPress, Squarespace, Wix, etc.? These services have enabled millions of less technical people to create and publish websites for decades now. Most of them support a large ecosystem of plugins and 3rd-party tools that make adding interactivity such as forms and CRMs a breeze. I mean, it's great tha…

Wordpress is dead. I officially logged into Wordpress for the last time six weeks ago. I’m currently migrating a bunch of my sites over to Next.JS. Claude has vibed the best SEO, E.E.A.T., CRO (CXL best practice), WCAG 2.0, and schema.org compared to any site I’ve ever built in Wordpress. The audits OPUS was creating for each of these areas are astonishing. I’m simply migrating them across to Next.JS and hosting them…

I've built a CMS with Claude Code aswell and its working incredibly to create JSON proposals that my sveltekit website reads and turns into beautiful proposal pages. When a customer creates a booking for my mini-golf hire company they get emailed and they get their own booking hub where they can update their booking details, see the proposal when it comes through see any invoices ect. The best part is and what i'm so excited about is we have created a daily business script 'npm run daily' that Claude Code runs and the script uses the business logic to move bookings along in the cycle by telling Claude Code what bookings have tasks. It will return, you have 3 bookings that need attention, run 'npm run get-booking [booking shortcode] THEN that script returns ALL data for that booking row from the db and it knows what task is needed to be done so Claude Code has all the context for that booking and it's prompted at the end saying NEXT STEP Claude code run 'npm run generate-proposal [shortcode] JSON output. (there was an example json output in there for claude to know the syntax ) Everything goes to an out tray in the admin web ui that i have to manually approve. I'm still in testing but I'm starting to realise that Claude Code can be an agentic platform for apps run from the CLI, like my automated crm assistant we've built.

Re: How and where will agents ship software?

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Post by dattasmasher »

mjsweet wrote: post #39

The most frustrating problem I have had with Firebase Studio is Gemini 2.5 attempting to create firebase rules... it was completely unworkable in my experience - just constant permissions errors. I pivoted to Claude Code a few weeks ago with Prisma ORM and NEON db running on Netlify. It's been pretty good so far. I will give InstantDB a go soon I think.

Did you consider giving Prisma Postgres a shot aswell? It's MCP server plays really well with Claude.

https://www.prisma.io/docs/postgres/integrations/mcp-server#...

Re: How and where will agents ship software?

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Post by satyrun »

imiric wrote: post #59
stillpointlab wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Wouldn't his firm be better served by website builders like WordPress, Squarespace, Wix, etc My understanding is the majority of his work is on WordPress. It's worth noting this is a partnership with 100+ clients, 5+ full time employees. They do television commercials, websites, banner ads, social media campaigns, etc. He is a partner at the firm and while he calls himself "non-technical" he does have experience wi…

> Vibe coding is opening up a new avenue for custom built functionality that was previously too expensive. I'm not debating that. What I am arguing for is for using these new tools smartly and conservatively, because they have and will continue to produce low quality software in hands of inexperienced developers. It's easy to be misled by their confident tone and the overhyped marketing around them into thinking that…

How convenient protecting us from the "harm" of LLMs just happens to align with your own self interest.

I am sure that isn't causing any bias in your perceptions of reality.

Re: How and where will agents ship software?

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Post by mjsweet »

lil-lugger wrote: post #62
mjsweet wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wordpress is dead. I officially logged into Wordpress for the last time six weeks ago. I’m currently migrating a bunch of my sites over to Next.JS. Claude has vibed the best SEO, E.E.A.T., CRO (CXL best practice), WCAG 2.0, and schema.org compared to any site I’ve ever built in Wordpress. The audits OPUS was creating for each of these areas are astonishing. I’m simply migrating them across to Next.JS and hosting them…

I've built a CMS with Claude Code aswell and its working incredibly to create JSON proposals that my sveltekit website reads and turns into beautiful proposal pages. When a customer creates a booking for my mini-golf hire company they get emailed and they get their own booking hub where they can update their booking details, see the proposal when it comes through see any invoices ect. The best part is and what i'm so…

Just fantastic! You know you can setup GitHub Actions to move things along? I have made a few. I also installed Claude Code agent in the git hub repository. Then if I want to make changes to the site when I’m out and about I just raise an issue and ask @claude to do something. Also, I have been using Netlify functions to do quite a few different things as well, like sending SMS messages when a form is completed. Also the paid version of Netlify allows background functions that can run too.

Re: How and where will agents ship software?

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Post by TeMPOraL »

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #38
stopachka wrote: post #25

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Yes. Fun fact, Instant got the `create` method because of how many times LLMs hallucinated it.

Life imitates art: afar you’re describing there is basically _The Secret_ (I.e. if I wish hard enough for something then eventually it will come true), except it’s LLMs that get wish-fulfilment, not us.

Huh, you've reframed The Secret for me - now I see it being, if you wish hard enough for something then eventually the Universe will make it so, just to shut you up.

Re: How and where will agents ship software?

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Post by waynenilsen »

jen729w wrote: post #41

Please don’t use a vibe-coded app for anything important. I use Claude. I like Claude. But I’ve backed away from having Claude actually write my code other than in the most limited circumstances. I caught it copying one of my TS Interfaces, for example. And modifying, then using, the copy. So my type-checks pass, yay! But wait what? It wrote a test for a tricky bit of code. The test wouldn’t pass. So it re-wrote it i…

Review and good rules are still critical. Current agent state is still hyperspeed junior engineer. Providing examples helps a lot when scaffolding something similar to something else.

Re: How and where will agents ship software?

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Post by [deleted] »

stillpointlab wrote: post #54
imiric wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's great, and kudos to your friend. Just two things: - Wouldn't his firm be better served by website builders like WordPress, Squarespace, Wix, etc.? These services have enabled millions of less technical people to create and publish websites for decades now. Most of them support a large ecosystem of plugins and 3rd-party tools that make adding interactivity such as forms and CRMs a breeze. I mean, it's great tha…

> Wouldn't his firm be better served by website builders like WordPress, Squarespace, Wix, etc My understanding is the majority of his work is on WordPress. It's worth noting this is a partnership with 100+ clients, 5+ full time employees. They do television commercials, websites, banner ads, social media campaigns, etc. He is a partner at the firm and while he calls himself "non-technical" he does have experience wi…

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Re: How and where will agents ship software?

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Post by [deleted] »

imiric wrote: post #59
stillpointlab wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Wouldn't his firm be better served by website builders like WordPress, Squarespace, Wix, etc My understanding is the majority of his work is on WordPress. It's worth noting this is a partnership with 100+ clients, 5+ full time employees. They do television commercials, websites, banner ads, social media campaigns, etc. He is a partner at the firm and while he calls himself "non-technical" he does have experience wi…

> Vibe coding is opening up a new avenue for custom built functionality that was previously too expensive. I'm not debating that. What I am arguing for is for using these new tools smartly and conservatively, because they have and will continue to produce low quality software in hands of inexperienced developers. It's easy to be misled by their confident tone and the overhyped marketing around them into thinking that…

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Re: How and where will agents ship software?

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Post by chamomeal »

jen729w wrote: post #41

Please don’t use a vibe-coded app for anything important. I use Claude. I like Claude. But I’ve backed away from having Claude actually write my code other than in the most limited circumstances. I caught it copying one of my TS Interfaces, for example. And modifying, then using, the copy. So my type-checks pass, yay! But wait what? It wrote a test for a tricky bit of code. The test wouldn’t pass. So it re-wrote it i…

Copilot is also WAY too eager to pass tests. It will write tests to pass a completely broken function.

We have aggressively high coverage requirements at work, but also really terrible tooling/support for good tests, so everybody uses copilot. The result is a paper-thin test suite that only tests the implementation and none of the intended behavior. It’s so clunky and the tests are so mock-ridden that the only way to make sense of them… is by using copilot!! Thus it continues ;-;

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