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New Firefox Command Line helps you develop faster

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Re: New Firefox Command Line helps you develop faster

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Post by se85 »

I don't understand what this does that can't already be done a hell of a lot better with the combo of firefox/firebug and the web developer toolbar?

What is the value proposition here? Perhaps I'm missing something but it just looks like a CLI interface over the top of JavaScript (as opposed to the GUI/CLI approach with firebug - which is a far more scaleable approach).

Is this thing going to need 1000 plugins installed within the plugin just to offer the same functionality as firebug?

I didn't understand the 3d view of web pages either and their GUI for their version of firebug is completely inferior (even though it looks fancier).

Looks are not everything.

Why has any of this stuff even been allowed to be prioritised over core browser performance and functionality.

It is a sad state of affairs to see what Firefox has devolved into compared to how it was in its glory days.

Re: New Firefox Command Line helps you develop faster

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Post by fuzzix »

conradfr wrote: post #14

It made me go look in the menu and discovered the new Responsive design mode in FF15, it will be a valuable tool.

Looks quite useful, though I didn't see a way to customise the view port dimensions - it appears to lack common phone screen resolutions.

Re: New Firefox Command Line helps you develop faster

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Post by justincormack »

eupharis wrote: post #47
nathan_long wrote: post #18

Wow. This may make switch back to Firefox from Chrome as my develoment browser. Bravo, Mozilla!

I saw this and thought the exact same thing! Super excited to test it out upon release. The other nice thing about FF for devs is that Chrome is a little too robust sometimes. I've had some egregious errors in my markup and Chrome still manages to do what I intended. But then it's broken on every other browser. As far as I've experienced, anything that runs perfectly in FF runs perfectly in Chrome. But the reverse is…

They should both be using the html5 parser now, so "errors" should be well defined rather than browser dependent. Could be a bug in the implementation.

Re: New Firefox Command Line helps you develop faster

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Post by Optimizer »

superxor wrote: post #11

The FF dev tools offer a very different experience compared to Chrome. I am curious about the rationale between having different views for web inspector & debugger. I am on Aurora/Ubuntu. The binding for the Debugger (Ctrl-Shft-S) doesn't seem to work for me and the Dev toolbar has no way to open the debugger view.

Hi, in Aurora, the Developer Toolbar has a button Debugger (as seen in the screencast of the blogpost of command line too) which can be used to open the Debugger. You can also manage the debugger by the 'dbg' command

Re: New Firefox Command Line helps you develop faster

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Post by icebraining »

snprbob86 wrote: post #48
agumonkey wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You made me investigate HN dom structure and it's quite scary !

It works, doesn't it? If you have to interface with HTML or CSS directly and frequently while writing your application, then you want to make sure your HTML and CSS are super clean and maintainable. But, as PG has said before, HTML can be treated like object code! There was once a time when everyone had to write super clean and maintainable assembly code, but now you rely on a compiler. Ever look at compiler generate…

I find that a shortsighted attitude by PG. Web pages shouldn't be just a black box to present to the user. They should be structured documents that is flexible and malleable, so that the user or third parties can filter, adapt and enhance the content.

http://userscripts.org/ is the best example of that, but there are many others.

Re: New Firefox Command Line helps you develop faster

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Post by halvsjur »

fuzzix wrote: post #52
conradfr wrote: post #14

It made me go look in the menu and discovered the new Responsive design mode in FF15, it will be a valuable tool.

Looks quite useful, though I didn't see a way to customise the view port dimensions - it appears to lack common phone screen resolutions.

According to the article, you can type:

    resize to 320 480

Re: New Firefox Command Line helps you develop faster

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Post by lloeki »

nameuserc wrote: post #43
sbierwagen wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I fail to understand why this phrase is offending you so badly. Let’s look at a more interesting example. The current design of mozilla.org is a responsive design. I want to see how the headings will show up on a smaller screen. If I’ve been working on the page, I would likely know some of the IDs and structure used in the page, so I could enter a command like: "Responsive design" is a fairly established noun in the…

kernel: a central, essential part of something paraphrasing the dictionary definition the meaning is similar in both contexts you mention. indeed if we asked someone who did not know what an "os kernel" was, they might think of the meaning they do know: e.g., the innermost part of a seed of a cereal or nut and they might guess based on what they know. have you ever heard the phrase "the computer program has become no…

responsive: able to respond to something

Guess what, a responsive layout responds to media/container size variations, just like a computer program responds (or stops responding in your example) to user or system signals.

Re: New Firefox Command Line helps you develop faster

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Post by lloeki »

halvsjur wrote: post #57
fuzzix wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looks quite useful, though I didn't see a way to customise the view port dimensions - it appears to lack common phone screen resolutions.

According to the article, you can type: resize to 320 480

Which is awesome, as I can finally drop my ridiculously contrived JS bookmarklets.

Re: New Firefox Command Line helps you develop faster

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Post by agumonkey »

snprbob86 wrote: post #48
agumonkey wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You made me investigate HN dom structure and it's quite scary !

It works, doesn't it? If you have to interface with HTML or CSS directly and frequently while writing your application, then you want to make sure your HTML and CSS are super clean and maintainable. But, as PG has said before, HTML can be treated like object code! There was once a time when everyone had to write super clean and maintainable assembly code, but now you rely on a compiler. Ever look at compiler generate…

In this case it's naive redundant and inefficient object code. Tables and BR unless you're targetting pre-css browsers aren't really necessary. But I can be wrong. Anyway it's still more work and output that needed.
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