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Edit: I just posted 3 minutes ago and I'm already in gray text. Wow. We search with Google, run our phones with Google, run Google's browser, now they want us to write all our code in Google's language. Why Google? What's wrong with Java? Other than the fact that Oracle owns it, I miss Sun. Scott McNealy tried to make the technology world better. Scott, Gosling. Google...why should everything we do all day and night…
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Google has invented a new login state between "logged in" and "not logged in" called "not logged in enough". It's kind of like being logged in, except nothing works and you get asked to login again. Also, you can't logout.
You can log out. You click "log out and log in as a different user", and then bail out. Then you can use Google's public-content products.
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I actually haven't gotten this far with Go myself so I'm glad to hear that it's possible. But there's a huge uphill battle ahead for Go here. For instance, I write C++ code because I'm doing music software and all the APIs and existing code libraries and samples are in C++. It's just so much easier in this environment to put up with C++'s warts than it would be to try to shoehorn Go in there. As John Carmack says, ex…
Swig can help there?
Edit: I just posted 3 minutes ago and I'm already in gray text. Wow. We search with Google, run our phones with Google, run Google's browser, now they want us to write all our code in Google's language. Why Google? What's wrong with Java? Other than the fact that Oracle owns it, I miss Sun. Scott McNealy tried to make the technology world better. Scott, Gosling. Google...why should everything we do all day and night…
Which is also open source and has a community behind it.
(Plus, you can search with Bing, run an iPhone, and run Safari/Firefox/IE)
>Why Google? What's wrong with Java?
You mean besides the stagnation (no closures? no type inference? no functional goodness? It's 2012 already), the enterprisey vibe and the lawsuits?
>>>The syntax of Go is broadly similar to that of C C, seriously? C??!? Why? Why would I want to go back to ... C?
They don't ask you to go back to C. The SYNTAX is similar. Which is also true for Java.
That said, from reading the rant, you don't seem like the type that ever was in C in the first place, so it wont be "going back" for you.
>>> Of features found in C++ or Java, Go does not include type inheritance, generic programming, assertions, method overloading, or pointer arithmetic.
And that is a good thing or a bad thing or what?
That is what it is. Languages have different features, and it's not a spec war.
Java doesn't have tons of features C++ has (e.g operator overloading, pointer arithmetic, hey, even closures, as of the latest standard). But you don't seem to be the type that wants to go to C++, right? So why the double standard?
>>> A Go interface is best described as a set of methods, each identified by a name and signature.
That sounds like Microsoft's crappy COM from the 1990's.
Yes, I can see how you are qualified to make this kind of comparisons: "Interface of methods, with name and signature. Ah, just like COM!"
>The code sample on that page shows there are no braces in the if evaluation statements. A wise man, Peter Van Der Linden formerly of Sun's Compiler Group and author of Deep C Secrets wrote about using more braces if needed as explicitness is always better. I agree with that.
Good for you. You missed the "if needed" part.
>Oh...the language name sux.
And Rob Pike pissed on your cornflakes.
>PS How does Guido Van Rossom feel about Go?
Why should we care?
I'd be really curious to know what their "800 million requests a month" means. When we actually added up numbers a while back, we were doing around 250 million requests to our Python machines/day, and we only had 200 servers (which included dbs/etc), that was around 3-3.5 billion pageviews a month IIRC. We now have 300 machines and do about 5 billion pageviews, but that completely ignores the huge amounts of requests…
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For those, like myself, that like C and do systems programming. Really never understood why people dislike or fear C so much. It is the foundation for so many systems and libraries.
Yawn.
Edit: I just posted 3 minutes ago and I'm already in gray text. Wow. We search with Google, run our phones with Google, run Google's browser, now they want us to write all our code in Google's language. Why Google? What's wrong with Java? Other than the fact that Oracle owns it, I miss Sun. Scott McNealy tried to make the technology world better. Scott, Gosling. Google...why should everything we do all day and night…
>> C, seriously? C??!? For those, like myself, that like C and do systems programming. Really never understood why people dislike or fear C so much. It is the foundation for so many systems and libraries.
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I think that Mozilla's Rust is aiming squarely at C++ developers, whereas Go is more of a Java replacement. And it's interesting to see Python and Ruby being squeezed lately, from various directions; Clojure, Go, other languages. Since Python went mainstream and started being picked up for serious projects, it naturally came under the spotlight a lot more than it had previously, and I think many people have started t…
"I think that Mozilla's Rust is aiming squarely at C++ developers, whereas Go is more of a Java replacement." I basically agree with this as a Rust developer (although I'm not sure about Go being in Java's niche; I think of it more as in node.js's niche -- highly scalable web apps). Early on, I think both Rust and Go were thought to be targeting the same segment, but it turned out that we really weren't. Personally,…
I'm going to elide any commentary about the syntax for now, as I know why it is the way it is (the type system/annotations). I'm basically just going to expound on one thing for the sake of emphasis.
For the love of god make Rust more accessible. I don't mean dumbing down the type system or abandoning regions (I really hope that works out). I mean the frickin' documentation. Digging through the core libs to figure out how to dp fairly common case stuff is obscene.
Part of the reason I like to tinker with Go in my spare time is that it's extremely hygienic, clean, cheap, and cheerful.
Look at the way the "go" binary works, it does everything. It does builds, automatic formatting of code, the works. And it just "works".
On top of that, I'd consider getting somebody more knowledgeable about Rust and get them to team up / pair-document with somebody who is a goddamn dumbass like me and start building tutorials/documentation together.
I can't imagine the language's syntax and features are so nascent that tutorials and docs for core functionality/libs would be out of the question, you're already prototyping that web browser engine.
Documentation is a UX problem, like syntax. Syntax alone crippled Erlang, please don't let obscurity harm a language I am very excited about.
If there's any way I can help (maybe a trail of bread crumbs/notes from me as I try to learn it?), let me know in this thread or via email.