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Re: Linux Reaches 5% Desktop Market Share in USA

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Post by generic92034 »

zeroc8 wrote: post #155
nerdjon wrote: post #53

I have to wonder how much of this is people switching to Linux vs the larger trend of people not having traditional computers to begin with. Outside of gamers, I don't know anyone that has a computer at home that is not their work laptop if they have one. At least in my circle everyone I know has moved to their general computing being on phones and tablets which is not captured here. So is a solid chunk of this the p…

The truth is, it doesn't really matter. What's important is that we have an alternative to keep Microsoft and Apple honest. If they overdo it with their crappy ideas - like showing ads in the start menu or recording the desktop - then people can easily switch, at least for personal computing.

But those "features" exist, and people did not switch (at least not in great numbers).

Re: Linux Reaches 5% Desktop Market Share in USA

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Post by TheDong »

blueflow wrote: post #393
throwaway0665 wrote: post #311

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article talks about browsers that use Linux in the user agent. This includes Alpine Linux - which is not GNU/Linux. It also splits out Chrome OS which is pretty much GNU/Linux.

Alpine and GNU/Linux are Posix, while Android is not.

I don't think Posix is very relevant to what is or isn't linux.

macOS is more posix than NixOS, but everyone knows NixOS is a real linux distro, and macOS is not one.

Re: Linux Reaches 5% Desktop Market Share in USA

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Post by jchw »

longfingers wrote: post #413
jchw wrote: post #294

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That's not even true. You can use typical Linux software inside of a chroot, like with Termux.

Whether your virtual container is lightweight, heavyweight or from the cloud doesn't really change anything from a regular user's perspective. You aren't installing software in the main environment you are looking at, running a desktop on, etc.

Recall the post above mine:

> > I would still count it as the Linux kernel.

> This may be technically true, except it has no single meaningful implication, like no Linux software works there.

Termux is notable is because you in fact don't need a virtual machine at all, or even a proper container. Even the "chroot" aspect is basically just to create a facade to make software work with less effort; it's not literally needed. And you can indeed run typical graphical Linux software as long as you have a compatible display server; Termux offers an X server as an add-on.

This doesn't mean that Android is the same as desktop Linux, but that's not the point here. The point is that Android runs the Linux kernel, and not just in name only. You actually can make use of the Linux aspect of Android, which many of us do.

It's possible that Google will lock down Android further in the future and make the host Linux environment less usable for stock Linux apps, but today you can run quite a lot of typical CLI and even desktop Linux software directly in Android with minimal fuss. Even if it's a little cumbersome, it's quite useful in a pinch.

I'd argue whether you can readily install software to the Linux host environment is also neither here nor there. For an immutable abroot setup like SteamOS, you can't really install directly to the host environment, but in my mind that does not make it any less "desktop Linux" or Linux kernel based.

Re: Linux Reaches 5% Desktop Market Share in USA

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Post by willhslade »

fsflover wrote: post #39
ryandv wrote: post #22

Based on the history of the tech industry, Linux adoption should be kept at this level and advanced no further. This is already the sweet spot for the "year of the Linux desktop," which should be celebrated by experts, technical users, and the sufficiently motivated. Once the unwashed masses start coming in, the software and its interaction patterns pander to the lowest common denominator and the quality of the mediu…

You're probably talking about enshittification [0], which typically affects centralized for-profit entities, not community-based free software projects. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41277484

Mozilla says hello.

Re: Linux Reaches 5% Desktop Market Share in USA

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Post by izacus »

ergsef wrote: post #33
shaunpud wrote: post #25

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I thought the Windows license was burned into the BIOS, so a reinstall would pick it up automatically?

I worked selling refurb computers and this wasn't the case from Windows 95 - XP. The rise of TPMs and EFI is after that time so it's possible some newer system provides a way of tying licenses to computers, but it's not BIOS.

Windows XP has been launched 23 years ago. Things may have changed inbetween.

Re: Linux Reaches 5% Desktop Market Share in USA

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Post by zelphirkalt »

ecshafer wrote: post #383
zelphirkalt wrote: post #360

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I hear this all around and I am myself running GNU/Linux almost all the time, but running games on Steam on my default OS, which is a Debian with KDE currently, that is more miss than hit. I even know someone who has almost the same hardware, also runs a GNU/Linux system and for them almost all games work using Proton. For me however they don't. I already tried proprietary graphics card drivers instead of the ones th…

Which steam do you use? I have heard that some people have issues with the Snap, Flatpack or Native versions. Also for proton there are different "versions" you can try, experimental or 9 is usually what I run.

    $ dpkg --list | grep -i steam
    ii  steam-devices                                               1:1.0.0.75+ds-6                      all          Device support for Steam-related hardware
    ii  steam-installer                                             1:1.0.0.75+ds-6                      amd64        Valve's Steam digital software delivery system
    ii  steam-libs:amd64                                            1:1.0.0.75+ds-6                      amd64        Metapackage for Steam dependencies
    ii  steam-libs:i386                                             1:1.0.0.75+ds-6                      i386         Metapackage for Steam dependencies
    ii  steam-libs-i386:i386                                        1:1.0.0.75+ds-6                      i386         Metapackage for 32-bit Steam dependencies
I am not using Snap, or Flatpack. I either used apt or an installer from their website. I don't quite remember.

When a game doesn't work and the described symptoms happen, I usually try a few different Proton versions via the game's settings, but this has not helped me make a game run. If anything for some games it has reprocessed shaders or similar things that Steam games do before launching, maybe. But the result stays the same. Game is not starting, button changing back to "play" button.

Re: Linux Reaches 5% Desktop Market Share in USA

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Post by fsflover »

udev4096 wrote: post #436
conradev wrote: post #387

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Yep, and in the reverse, you don't need a separate kernel to run Android software on Linux: https://waydro.id

Waydroid is garbage. It's so bad. Better use redroid: https://github.com/remote-android/redroid-doc

Waydroid actually allows me to run Android software on my GNU/Linux phone.

Re: Linux Reaches 5% Desktop Market Share in USA

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Post by MrRadar »

speedgoose wrote: post #262
arp242 wrote: post #92

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> the surge of classic Mac OS to 7% for several months I'm not sure what's up with listing both "OS X" and "macOS", but I'm quite confident it's not classic Mac OS.

Can you even have a successful TLS handshake with Mac OS 9 ?

There is a port of Mbed TLS to Classic MacOS[1] which has TLS 1.2 enabled but per the README.md probably not the right cihper suites (it only has AES-CBC ciphers enabled by default) to connect to servers configured per the widely-used Mozilla "intermediate" recommendations[2] (which require AES-GCM or ChaCha20 ciphers).

[1] https://github.com/bbenchoff/MacSSL [2] https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Server_Side_TLS

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