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Re: Linux Reaches 5% Desktop Market Share in USA

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Post by throwaway2037 »

dmix wrote: post #351
scarface_74 wrote: post #327

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had my first personal computer in 1986. But I can easily do all of those things just as conveniently on my phone. 90% of tax payers claim the standard deduction. That means filing your taxes just means going to Turbo tax and it importing your W2’s automatically if your employer uses one of the major payment providers like ADP or worse case taking a picture of your W2, clicking “Next” a few times after answering a f…

Planning a trip is one of the best usecases for not being phone-only. If it was jut "open app and buy ticket" then it'd be fine, but most trips involve a lot of moving parts that need to be in sync. Comparing multiple different websites, copying and pasting information to share, looking up locations, etc. All way easier with a mouse, keyboard, and large tabbed browser windows. Even Airbnb is better on desktop, since…

I feel exactly the same: Context switching is awful on a mobile, but great on something with a mouse and keyboard. Even copy and paste on mobile still feels weird after 10 years of doing it.

Re: Linux Reaches 5% Desktop Market Share in USA

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Post by extraduder_ire »

supriyo-biswas wrote: post #107
jsnell wrote: post #18

The statscounter data is not reliable, and it is just embarrassing how often these posts make it to the HN frontpage. You even have a demonstration in this very article, with the surge of classic Mac OS to 7% for several months . The data is obviously nonsense, and when it has errors nobody at the company cares about them. But when they have persistent "data reporting issues", why are we supposed to believe any of th…

Additionally, with the number of people who use ad blockers on Linux and given that statcounter mostly uses 3rd party JS tags, I highly doubt these numbers are correct. There's a discussion in a peer thread about how people never notice its Linux and keep using their refurbished machines as-is. This too, is surprising to me, as my own experience as well as the ones I've heard in person from IT folks and IT-related fo…

Unless they're using JS for something specific, getting the user to load anything at all would give them the OS from the useragent string in almost all cases. I'd believe their URLs being included in default filter lists though.

Re: Linux Reaches 5% Desktop Market Share in USA

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Post by Forgeties79 »

palata wrote: post #91
nerdjon wrote: post #53

I have to wonder how much of this is people switching to Linux vs the larger trend of people not having traditional computers to begin with. Outside of gamers, I don't know anyone that has a computer at home that is not their work laptop if they have one. At least in my circle everyone I know has moved to their general computing being on phones and tablets which is not captured here. So is a solid chunk of this the p…

I agree with your points, except this: > thanks to the Steam Deck [...] but I would be reluctant to call that Linux Desktop anymore than I would call Android an uptick for Linux. The Steam Deck very much runs Linux Desktop. Android runs the Linux kernel, but everything else is different. SteamOS is a Linux distribution based on Arch. If you run your Steam Deck in "desktop mode", it is very much a Linux Desktop (with…

Totally agree. It's what finally got me to commit to a linux machine for my recent desktop build!

Re: Linux Reaches 5% Desktop Market Share in USA

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Post by charcircuit »

jauntywundrkind wrote: post #366
jraph wrote: post #274

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What's your point? This mess is caused by Google policies, not technical considerations. You can still install Termux from F-Droid. We can argue about Android being a horrible OS for all sorts of reasons but that's a separate discussion.

> Almost every Android version imposes new major restrictions when it comes to security requirements, and specifically the Android 10 version update was dramatic for Termux usage, as it disallowed executing downloaded files directly. > The Termux app avoided that by using a targetSdkVersion of Android 9, declaring that it was not compatible with the Android 10 requirements. Android level 9 is from Android 2 Gingerbre…

>Termux is glued to a truly ancient version of Android, because Android became inhospitable to basic Linux userland use cases.

No, this only a problem with Termux's approach of trying to put all apps into a single app. One Linux app should correspond to one Android app. This also makes it so that permissions you grant to the app is not to all of termux, but to a specific app.

Re: Linux Reaches 5% Desktop Market Share in USA

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Post by throwaway2037 »

Fokamul wrote: post #342
scarface_74 wrote: post #327

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had my first personal computer in 1986. But I can easily do all of those things just as conveniently on my phone. 90% of tax payers claim the standard deduction. That means filing your taxes just means going to Turbo tax and it importing your W2’s automatically if your employer uses one of the major payment providers like ADP or worse case taking a picture of your W2, clicking “Next” a few times after answering a f…

>That means filing your taxes just means going to Turbo tax and it importing your W2’s automatically Whoa interesting, so everyone is using 3rd party company service, is it paid service or free, I've checked their website and cannot understand if it's free or not for this basic level you've mentioned. In my country, if this was a thing, that you must pay some company to file your taxes, it would probably cause public…

US tax forms and rules are insanely complex compared to other highly developed nations. Lots of people use a commercial product called Turbo Tax to help them.

Re: Linux Reaches 5% Desktop Market Share in USA

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Post by jraph »

charcircuit wrote: post #404
jauntywundrkind wrote: post #366

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Almost every Android version imposes new major restrictions when it comes to security requirements, and specifically the Android 10 version update was dramatic for Termux usage, as it disallowed executing downloaded files directly. > The Termux app avoided that by using a targetSdkVersion of Android 9, declaring that it was not compatible with the Android 10 requirements. Android level 9 is from Android 2 Gingerbre…

>Termux is glued to a truly ancient version of Android, because Android became inhospitable to basic Linux userland use cases. No, this only a problem with Termux's approach of trying to put all apps into a single app. One Linux app should correspond to one Android app. This also makes it so that permissions you grant to the app is not to all of termux, but to a specific app.

> trying to put all apps into a single app

That's not exactly what it does, it dynamically downloads the programs using apt-get.

I get the security benefits of preventing the execution of data stuff, but building one Android app for each binary is difficult to work with.

Re: Linux Reaches 5% Desktop Market Share in USA

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Post by theanonymousone »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #84
theanonymousone wrote: post #15

I can't think of any logical reason to exclude ChromeOS and count it separately,and a good portion of the "Unknown" category may as well be Linux. The "real" number shouldn't be far from 10%, if not already exceeding it.

> I can't think of any logical reason to exclude ChromeOS and count it separately Because virtually nobody who says "desktop Linux" means ChromeOS.

And that's (almost) as wrong as saying BSD is not Unix

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Post by DanOpcode »

dartharva wrote: post #361
palata wrote: post #91

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I agree with your points, except this: > thanks to the Steam Deck [...] but I would be reluctant to call that Linux Desktop anymore than I would call Android an uptick for Linux. The Steam Deck very much runs Linux Desktop. Android runs the Linux kernel, but everything else is different. SteamOS is a Linux distribution based on Arch. If you run your Steam Deck in "desktop mode", it is very much a Linux Desktop (with…

What even is "Linux Desktop" and why does Android not qualify as one? Many Android tablets (especially those with Samsung Dex) can certainly double up as desktops if its users were so willing, at least a lot more so than the Steam Deck.

Linux Desktop is something else. When Adobe considers if it's worth to port Photoshop to run on the Linux Desktop they don't include the market share of Android devices in that calculation. It's two completely different markets: desktop Linux apps and Android apps.

Re: Linux Reaches 5% Desktop Market Share in USA

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Post by throwaway2037 »

Fokamul wrote: post #308
xaitv wrote: post #255

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Netherlands here. Most people I know (outside of gamers) tend to have a laptop only if they have one for work anyway, they use their phones for banking, tax, searching the correct spelling of words etc. That's in the age groups from like 30 all the way to 70. I don't think I know any non-gamer that has an actual desktop, just people with laptops. For the gamers consoles are the vast majority, of the PC gamers pretty…

Yes, top of the list, it shows :) Latops and desktops, it's a mix here. Older people had mainly desktops in the past. That's my experience, at least. Banking, yeah mainly phones because of ridiculous forced banking apps from corporate masters, like everywhere else? (certain bank even lost a lot of customers because of that) Taxes, if you are just an employee, taxes are done by your employer for you, by law. (I presum…

    > Only thing that keeps me here are best gun laws in EU (I have Glock, AR15 clone, Bren3 ordered), you can conceal carry nearly everywhere, you can even use gun for self-defense, sadly very low criminality here :)
Wild. I had no idea you can do this in continental Europe. I found this map on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/11qkksb/concealed_c...
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