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Re: Linux Reaches 5% Desktop Market Share in USA

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Someone pinch me when VisualStudio runs under Wine/Proton with at least a silver rating. It is quite literally the only app keeping me on Windows.

Out of interest, what do you need visual studio for that you cant get on linux?

Of course, there are always alternatives, but as a professional software engineer there are times I need to use genuine Visual Studio for one reason or another.

Why use Photoshop when Gimp is available? Fusion360 when there is FreeCAD? etc.

Re: Linux Reaches 5% Desktop Market Share in USA

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Personally I'm taking another kick at Linux desktop in advance of Win11, I installed Mint with Cinnamon... and I gotta say, I'm kinda disappointed how many pain points there still are. Type in your admin password every 5 seconds just to install routine updates, ugly-ass GRUB screens, confusing UI, and SDL2 games being half-broken with resolution-switching and audio. Installing software still involves bouncing around figuring out if I want the Flatpak or to add a new Apt source or what.

So I'm assuming these "5% desktop market share" aren't using that kind of distro.

Re: Linux Reaches 5% Desktop Market Share in USA

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Anecdotal evidence, but Steams' Proton compatibility layer that lets you run Windows-only games on Linux works really really well. I haven't had to log into years and years by now.

I hear this all around and I am myself running GNU/Linux almost all the time, but running games on Steam on my default OS, which is a Debian with KDE currently, that is more miss than hit. I even know someone who has almost the same hardware, also runs a GNU/Linux system and for them almost all games work using Proton. For me however they don't. I already tried proprietary graphics card drivers instead of the ones th…

Which steam do you use? I have heard that some people have issues with the Snap, Flatpack or Native versions. Also for proton there are different "versions" you can try, experimental or 9 is usually what I run.

Re: Linux Reaches 5% Desktop Market Share in USA

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What's your point? This mess is caused by Google policies, not technical considerations. You can still install Termux from F-Droid. We can argue about Android being a horrible OS for all sorts of reasons but that's a separate discussion.

> Almost every Android version imposes new major restrictions when it comes to security requirements, and specifically the Android 10 version update was dramatic for Termux usage, as it disallowed executing downloaded files directly. > The Termux app avoided that by using a targetSdkVersion of Android 9, declaring that it was not compatible with the Android 10 requirements. Android level 9 is from Android 2 Gingerbre…

Right, Android target levels are so different in how they behave towards applications that they're practically best treated as distinct OS's to begin with. There's really no such thing as a unified Android or iOS, unlike Windows or desktop Linux where even a program from the mid-1990s will run unmodified in the latest version of the OS.

Re: Linux Reaches 5% Desktop Market Share in USA

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I work in the refurb division of an e-waste recycling company. Due to licensing costs and our certifications, we can't sell anything with Windows. My coworkers install Ubuntu, but I install Linux Mint. We don't have any clue if people keep using Linux or install Windows, but it's cool to think we're helping to move this needle. Edit: might as well link to the merch: https://www.ebay.com/str/evolutionecycling

How do you keep them auto-updated? I've just started on Mint and I'm disappointed how the software installer/updater still needs the admin password.

Re: Linux Reaches 5% Desktop Market Share in USA

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I had a Teams meeting for an outside of work topic this morning. Since all my personal machines are Linux based I was kinda happy I had my work laptop available with Windows and Teams installed. Booting it up about half an hour before the meeting... Installing updates... After rebooting twice and only five minutes before the meeting started I reverted to my Linux desktop, opened the email with the link to the Teams m…

This is a very common workflow for me, except I was using Teams on a Mac. And thanks to some update there are now two non-working versions of Teams installed ("Teams" and "Teams new" or some equally tacky naming). Luckily I have a Linux laptop next to it that can run it in-browser. I would love to know what Microsoft thinks the purpose of the standalone app is, when it is both slower and less reliable.

The "great" part about the Office desktop apps is that they're written in electron, so it's already essentially a web app but somehow worse.

Re: Linux Reaches 5% Desktop Market Share in USA

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> I would still count it as the Linux kernel. This may be technically true, except it has no single meaningful implication, like no Linux software works there.

That's not even true. You can use typical Linux software inside of a chroot, like with Termux.

Yep, and in the reverse, you don't need a separate kernel to run Android software on Linux: https://waydro.id

Re: Linux Reaches 5% Desktop Market Share in USA

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I have to ask - what OS do AI-training web scrapers tend to report? (A mixture? One with > 5% linux market share? Sorry, being a sceptic, otherwise I think this is fantastic news if accurately measured).

Good question. Most of these headlines about Linux market share ("mind share"?) are completely uninformative about how widespread the use of Linux is in reality. 12 years ago or so, a similar headline appeared, then someone explained that the Chinese government had recently cracked down on Windows pirating (to appease the Americans) with the result that some PC vendors had stopped including (pirated copies of) Window…

What's "windows pirating" when Microsoft offers public ISO downloads and you can activate them with MAS?

Re: Linux Reaches 5% Desktop Market Share in USA

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I don't think his point was that it's not linux but rather that it's not a desktop, and if it counts as a desktop, then so do the rest of the gaming consoles runnining non-linux, which probably didn't get counted so the 5% would be lower.

This is wrong. A steamdeck in desktop mode is exactly a desktop. You can write and execute code on it the exact same way you do on your laptop You cant do that on mobile devices or other handhelds

Yes, you can, and yes, among the group of people represented on HN, I have no doubt that a fair number do use it this way.....but how typical is that? How often does the average steam deck owner use it as a desktop? How often does the average user leave the steam launcher? How often does the average user think of it as anything other than a gaming console?

If all you care about is some very technical sense of "how many linux desktop environments are installed in the world", then none of these questions matter. But if the reason one is interested in the "Linux Desktop market share" is some level of interest in how people are using desktop computers, and when/if they are choosing them over competing OSs like Windows and MacOS, then these questions matter a lot. My guess is that 90% of SteamDeck owners don't think about the fact that it is Linux, barely every leave the steam launcher, and were they to be looking at getting a new desktop computer, their SteamDeck experience would not make them consider a linux distro vs. Windows or MacOS.

In case it matters, I think more people should be running Linux than do, I think people over-estimate the difficulty of switching. I want the steam deck and SteamOS to be a gateway for people to switch in more contexts....I'm just skeptical that it's actually doing that more than a trivial amount.

Re: Linux Reaches 5% Desktop Market Share in USA

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By picking a standard menu option I can go to a traditional desktop and use Libre Office and Firefox. Can I so that with a Switch? I can plug in a USB dock, with a monitor, mouse and keyboard and edit images with GIMP. Can I do that with a PS5? If I like the Steam Deck UI, I can install a package on my desktop and pick it on login, thus gaining basically all of this functionality. I in fact do have the SteamOS 3 UI i…

> Can I do that with a Switch? You can install Ubuntu on a Nintendo switch by using a paperclip so yes. https://www.reddit.com/r/SwitchHacks/comments/8f0ugz/hardwar...

> by using a paperclip

So, no?

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