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Hijacking Trust? Bitvise Under Fire for Controlling Domain of FOSS Project PuTTY

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Re: Hijacking Trust? Bitvise Under Fire for Controlling Domain of FOSS Project PuTTY

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Post by msgodel »

udev4096 wrote: post #34
msgodel wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Putty isn't just ssh, it's also the VTE and serial terminal. Also it has its own keys/configs/shortcuts people are almost certainly used to. I don't think there's even an easy way to migrate putty shortcuts (I can't remember what they're called) to OpenSSH.

I forgot. Windows users are so inefficient that they require a GUI for doing just about anything. Have fun being inefficient!

It's a different paradigm. I think just like they do sometimes we get lost in our own world. They had CUA and portable apps before malware became a big deal and got really used to that.

I think people should respect that try harder to meet users where they are.

Re: Hijacking Trust? Bitvise Under Fire for Controlling Domain of FOSS Project PuTTY

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Post by asimops »

peanut-walrus wrote: post #46
ColinWright wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Point of information. From that doc: A.9.3 Would you like me to register you a nicer domain name? No, thank you. Even if you can find one (most of them seem to have been registered already, by people who didn't ask whether we actually wanted it before they applied), we're happy with the PuTTY web site being exactly where it is. It's not hard to find (just type ‘putty’ into google.com and we're the first link returned…

Huh weird, usually top 3 results are "sponsored" links serving malware.

Might be one of those weirdos using an ad blocker ;)

Re: Hijacking Trust? Bitvise Under Fire for Controlling Domain of FOSS Project PuTTY

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Post by fanf2 »

greatgib wrote: post #3

Here they think that what is doing Bitvise is legal but I think that it might not be the case in the law of a number of countries and even possibly in domain names "regulation"? This is parasitism, or deceptive practice to hold the domain name of a competitor claiming your are to be associated with the other project.

Bitvise are “passing off” which is a tort in English law https://harperjames.co.uk/article/passing-off/

Re: Hijacking Trust? Bitvise Under Fire for Controlling Domain of FOSS Project PuTTY

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Post by mrweasel »

112233 wrote: post #45
mrweasel wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope you do, that would be pretty funny. Like using PowerShell as your shell on Linux.

I'll bite. What is your preferred way to use serial port console on linux? Kermit? I am really no fan of minicom... Also, I'd take pterm over modern gpu electron nodejs turtle tower terminals. It has sane requirements and perfomance, behaves in a consistent, predictable manner and handles large scrollback very well. Why bad?

No one said bad. Putty is awesome, it's just always funny when the best program on Linux is a Windows program running in Wine.

I didn't consider serial ports, only SSH, in that case I actually do struggle to suggest something better.

As for terminals, I don't know, I just run Xterm.

Re: Hijacking Trust? Bitvise Under Fire for Controlling Domain of FOSS Project PuTTY

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Post by mtlynch »

asimops wrote: post #49
stavros wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I, too, took your comment to mean that keepass.info is to KeePass as putty.org is to PuTTY.

Well, classic sender receiver mismatch I guess :D Is my intent more clear with that second try to explain? If not, I'm more then welcome to talk about a better way to phrase it :)

I was confused as well and panicked that I'd been installing KeePass from a fake site all these years. But keepass.info is indeed the official site.

Suggest: That is the same attitude as critics telling the Keepass maintainer to migrate the (official) keepass.info domain to a .com...

Re: Hijacking Trust? Bitvise Under Fire for Controlling Domain of FOSS Project PuTTY

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Post by GoblinSlayer »

ColinWright wrote: post #22
asimops wrote: post #12

I don't get it. The putty website has always been https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ This has never changed. Just because someone likes to use short circuit routing in their head doesn't make putty.org the official site for putty. That is the same attitude as telling the Keepass folks that https://keepass.info/ is wrong... edit: Maybe also have a look at the putty FAQ, especially 9.3 https://www.chia…

Point of information. From that doc: A.9.3 Would you like me to register you a nicer domain name? No, thank you. Even if you can find one (most of them seem to have been registered already, by people who didn't ask whether we actually wanted it before they applied), we're happy with the PuTTY web site being exactly where it is. It's not hard to find (just type ‘putty’ into google.com and we're the first link returned…

Mojeek and brave return 1) putty.org, 2) official site; and additionally a snippet from wikipedia in a sidebar with a correct address.

Re: Hijacking Trust? Bitvise Under Fire for Controlling Domain of FOSS Project PuTTY

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Post by signal11 »

ColinWright wrote: post #22
asimops wrote: post #12

I don't get it. The putty website has always been https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ This has never changed. Just because someone likes to use short circuit routing in their head doesn't make putty.org the official site for putty. That is the same attitude as telling the Keepass folks that https://keepass.info/ is wrong... edit: Maybe also have a look at the putty FAQ, especially 9.3 https://www.chia…

Point of information. From that doc: A.9.3 Would you like me to register you a nicer domain name? No, thank you. Even if you can find one (most of them seem to have been registered already, by people who didn't ask whether we actually wanted it before they applied), we're happy with the PuTTY web site being exactly where it is. It's not hard to find (just type ‘putty’ into google.com and we're the first link returned…

How do we report disappointing search results to Google? (Does anyone know please?)

Re: Hijacking Trust? Bitvise Under Fire for Controlling Domain of FOSS Project PuTTY

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Post by GoblinSlayer »

ColinWright wrote: post #20
asimops wrote: post #12

I don't get it. The putty website has always been https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ This has never changed. Just because someone likes to use short circuit routing in their head doesn't make putty.org the official site for putty. That is the same attitude as telling the Keepass folks that https://keepass.info/ is wrong... edit: Maybe also have a look at the putty FAQ, especially 9.3 https://www.chia…

Here's a framing of the problem. There's software called PuTTY, and non-technical or less technical people, or even technical people who are running on autopilot, might reasonably expect that it's hosted on putty.org. They just need to be more careful. Here's an analogy. Even capable programmers keep screwing up when using C and end up with memory leaks and security vulnerabilities. But that's no reason to stop using…

Nontechnical people afraid of a scary console window use putty?

Re: Hijacking Trust? Bitvise Under Fire for Controlling Domain of FOSS Project PuTTY

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Post by udev4096 »

msgodel wrote: post #51
udev4096 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I forgot. Windows users are so inefficient that they require a GUI for doing just about anything. Have fun being inefficient!

It's a different paradigm. I think just like they do sometimes we get lost in our own world. They had CUA and portable apps before malware became a big deal and got really used to that. I think people should respect that try harder to meet users where they are.

Modern malware tries to infect all the systems. Long gone are the days where linux or macos malware didn't exist. Stop bringing up utterly useless arguments just so you can justify your usage of winblows
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